Money: Cornellians lost to (and gained from) the portal

[BearLover]

Mathis Rousseau seems like the best option

[Trotsky]

The portal window was 15 days, right?  Does that mean Walsh will not go to the portal, meaning we could still lose him to the pros but not another school?

I'm an idiot.  The portal opened on 4/13 and closes on 4/28.

[Trotsky]

Another possibility.  Say we were down to the wire recruiting a goalie who is incoming in September 2026, but he chose elsewhere worried he would be stuck behind Alexis for 3 years.  Well, life just changed.  And if we pursued him the academics is there.

Would it be scummy of him to double back?  In the new environment I don't even know anymore.  It may be that now everything, every day is contingent.  "Good night, Westley. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."

[marty]

I said this the other day but I think Dylan Silverstein makes the most sense at this point. I have no idea if he's interested, but hard to find a better option, assuming it's too late to get a commitment (non-transfer).

idk if I'm Casey rn I'm contacting basically every goalie in the portal and seeing who's interested. there's gotta be a bite. the Cornell goalie job is like being the goalie for the Edmonton Oilers, except the Oilers' GMs somehow fucked that one up repeatedly.

but there aren't many good ones left

we literally just need league average. we might even be able to get away with slightly BELOW league average. let me look at the portal.

or just wait for hauser to get pissed off, either works.

We're trying to win the most games possible though. Yes, we can field a reasonable team with a league average goalie, but we want to make the NCAAs. We need someone better than that. I believe Ivies cannot take transfers with only one year of eligibility remaining, so that limits our options further.

Okay, find me a good goalie in the portal. You yourself just said the best we might have is Silverstein. (Who isn't even an option, as we figured out above.) It's VERY slim pickings. But you need A guy, unless you have some unfounded faith in Roest or Katz, both of whom I'm pretty sure were expecting to finish their college careers as backups.

While I think Casey and staff are looking for a replacement no one here should consider Roest and Katz to be un-spongeworthy.  Ian Shane was the third goalie IIFC when he jumped to number one after Mike gave him a shot his freshman year.

Casey on the other hand may have a much better idea concerning Roest and Katz.

And now that I am thinking about this - didn't Ben Scrivens also have to earn his way into the top spot?

[Bluelightning]

I also have looked at stats of our 2 current goalies trying to find a shimmer of hope. I know stats really don't mean anything at all when it involves kids. Neither Roest or Katz have much to get excited about. However I looked at Ian Shane's stats pre-Cornell and I would have said he would have been lucky to dress for Cornell. Good thing I'm not in charge.

[ursusminor]

I also have looked at stats of our 2 current goalies trying to find a shimmer of hope. I know stats really don't mean anything at all when it involves kids. Neither Roest or Katz have much to get excited about. However I looked at Ian Shane's stats pre-Cornell and I would have said he would have been lucky to dress for Cornell. Good thing I'm not in charge.

Typically, goalies take longer to develop than either forwards or defensemen, and defensemen develop slower than forwards.

Both

[marty]

I also have looked at stats of our 2 current goalies trying to find a shimmer of hope. I know stats really don't mean anything at all when it involves kids. Neither Roest or Katz have much to get excited about. However I looked at Ian Shane's stats pre-Cornell and I would have said he would have been lucky to dress for Cornell. Good thing I'm not in charge.

And Mike chose him third the year he broke out so you're in good company.

[The Rancor]

I'm glad people are finding reasons to root against players who quit on Cornell, but I wouldn't read too much into Cournoyer's "next level" comment. That's just gobbledygook. Something happened at Cornell that led him to ditch - my guess, he was struggling academically and didn't want to deal with being a serious student anymore. Yes, playing in the Big10 is nice, Wisconsin's facilities are nice, NIL (whatever it may be) is probably nice. But look at the many good players Cornell has, Harvard has, Dartmouth has. How many are transferring out? Just one: Cournoyer. The one* singular guy who transferred out of the Ivy League is the one who committed as a CHL late-bloomer. That's no coincidence.

*other than like one Brown guy to Northeastern after a coaching change

The Rancor vindicated again!

[scoop85]

I said this the other day but I think Dylan Silverstein makes the most sense at this point. I have no idea if he's interested, but hard to find a better option, assuming it's too late to get a commitment (non-transfer).

idk if I'm Casey rn I'm contacting basically every goalie in the portal and seeing who's interested. there's gotta be a bite. the Cornell goalie job is like being the goalie for the Edmonton Oilers, except the Oilers' GMs somehow fucked that one up repeatedly.

but there aren't many good ones left

It only takes one!

Also to keep in mind is that both Katz and Roest, especially the latter, were considered legitimate D1 goalie prospects as recruits. Roest was the starting goalie for the Canadian West team that won the Junior A challenge, but then he struggled back in juniors. But as I believe has been mentioned, Shane struggled before getting to Cornell, so there is precedence.

[arugula]

BTW - the story I heard is that Cournoyer's agent -- who is not very college hockey savvy -- was sending out e-mails to anyone that would listen. Wisconsin -- which had been shopping for a goalie, but not him -- was surprised to get an email like that out of the blue. And then things happened from there. Cornell's staff has been very aggressive in covering their butts from the expected increased amount of transience in college hockey now. But that is one they didn't really have an inkling about, as you can tell.

I get that the Big Ten is better overall than the ECAC, and has a higher profile. But it's completely misguided to believe he didn't have every opportunity to excel, improve and impress NHL types by staying at Cornell. I believe it demonstrates a lack of understanding for what he was getting into in the first place. So in that regard, que sera sera. It was a coup at the time, but he's also replaceable. The only issue is the timing, so we'll see.

Lmfao. That's honestly hysterical.

And agreeing with BL, it definitely makes sense that Cournoyer's side initiated the Wisconsin thing.

The thing is, as Adam says, the coaching staff wouldn't have had an idea about this because of how crazy/fast it got put together. Which is why he references new players for the Big Red but specifically not really goalies - because everyone and their mother thought Cournoyer was coming back. So Casey and co are just as shocked as we are.

We'll have to see - hopefully Casey can grab a League Average guy with solid academics from the portal and we go from there. The Roest/Katz tandem is like... I think they're both wonderful individuals but MAN that would be a terrifying goalie situation.

How does anyone know that Roest/Katz cannot be replacement level.  Np one has seen them play. Recall Shane was a third string guy who got thrown in because Schaf was dissatisfied with Howe/MacDonald and boom he beats UND twice.  Maybe it is the system. 

Besides, how do you know they're both wonderful individuals?

[The Rancor]

BTW - the story I heard is that Cournoyer's agent -- who is not very college hockey savvy -- was sending out e-mails to anyone that would listen. Wisconsin -- which had been shopping for a goalie, but not him -- was surprised to get an email like that out of the blue. And then things happened from there. Cornell's staff has been very aggressive in covering their butts from the expected increased amount of transience in college hockey now. But that is one they didn't really have an inkling about, as you can tell.

I get that the Big Ten is better overall than the ECAC, and has a higher profile. But it's completely misguided to believe he didn't have every opportunity to excel, improve and impress NHL types by staying at Cornell. I believe it demonstrates a lack of understanding for what he was getting into in the first place. So in that regard, que sera sera. It was a coup at the time, but he's also replaceable. The only issue is the timing, so we'll see.

Lmfao. That's honestly hysterical.

And agreeing with BL, it definitely makes sense that Cournoyer's side initiated the Wisconsin thing.

The thing is, as Adam says, the coaching staff wouldn't have had an idea about this because of how crazy/fast it got put together. Which is why he references new players for the Big Red but specifically not really goalies - because everyone and their mother thought Cournoyer was coming back. So Casey and co are just as shocked as we are.

We'll have to see - hopefully Casey can grab a League Average guy with solid academics from the portal and we go from there. The Roest/Katz tandem is like... I think they're both wonderful individuals but MAN that would be a terrifying goalie situation.

How does anyone know that Roest/Katz cannot be replacement level.  Np one has seen them play. Recall Shane was a third string guy who got thrown in because Schaf was dissatisfied with Howe/MacDonald and boom he beats UND twice.  Maybe it is the system. 

Besides, how do you know they're both wonderful individuals?

Johnny Hicks was a Tennessee State commit, before the program got delayed. No one knows what can happen, which is why they play the game.

[ugarte]

I wouldn't be surprised if they are trying to entice another Cournoyer to consider studying Agricultural Economics. Selling him on being about to take Wines as a freshman.

[adamw]

If anyone wants a cautionary tale of a goalie going ECAC --> Wisconsin, see this guy:

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/players/career/Kyle-Hayton/29500

[Iceberg]

If anyone wants a cautionary tale of a goalie going ECAC --> Wisconsin, see this guy:

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/players/career/Kyle-Hayton/29500

Special situation. I don't remember the full details but Morris had created a lot of animosity at SLU and didn't last long

[The Rancor]

If anyone wants a cautionary tale of a goalie going ECAC --> Wisconsin, see this guy:

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/players/career/Kyle-Hayton/29500

Long story short, he played 24 games in the ECHL and now sells real estate in Florida.