Money: Cornellians lost to (and gained from) the portal

[adamw]

Another possibility.  Say we were down to the wire recruiting a goalie who is incoming in September 2026, but he chose elsewhere worried he would be stuck behind Alexis for 3 years.  Well, life just changed.  And if we pursued him the academics is there.

Would it be scummy of him to double back?  In the new environment I don't even know anymore.  It may be that now everything, every day is contingent.  "Good night, Westley. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."

I have heard so many "scummy" stories this week. I'm not publishing them on CHN because, honestly, they've become so frequent, it's practically not news anymore. We'll be doing some articles that are summaries of this week and what not. But the stories are pretty crazy. One kid "committed" to Bowling Green from the portal. At the last second, another school swooped in and offered the kid double, so he switched. The agent sent a text to BG apologizing. And at this point, if Cornell had to do the same, could you blame them?

[adamw]

If anyone wants a cautionary tale of a goalie going ECAC --> Wisconsin, see this guy:

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/players/career/Kyle-Hayton/29500

Special situation. I don't remember the full details but Morris had created a lot of animosity at SLU and didn't last long

I know. But I'm just talking about his numbers.

[The Rancor]

If anyone wants a cautionary tale of a goalie going ECAC --> Wisconsin, see this guy:

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/players/career/Kyle-Hayton/29500

Special situation. I don't remember the full details but Morris had created a lot of animosity at SLU and didn't last long

I know. But I'm just talking about his numbers.

He tanked without any defense around him.

[stereax]

BTW - the story I heard is that Cournoyer's agent -- who is not very college hockey savvy -- was sending out e-mails to anyone that would listen. Wisconsin -- which had been shopping for a goalie, but not him -- was surprised to get an email like that out of the blue. And then things happened from there. Cornell's staff has been very aggressive in covering their butts from the expected increased amount of transience in college hockey now. But that is one they didn't really have an inkling about, as you can tell.

I get that the Big Ten is better overall than the ECAC, and has a higher profile. But it's completely misguided to believe he didn't have every opportunity to excel, improve and impress NHL types by staying at Cornell. I believe it demonstrates a lack of understanding for what he was getting into in the first place. So in that regard, que sera sera. It was a coup at the time, but he's also replaceable. The only issue is the timing, so we'll see.

Lmfao. That's honestly hysterical.

And agreeing with BL, it definitely makes sense that Cournoyer's side initiated the Wisconsin thing.

The thing is, as Adam says, the coaching staff wouldn't have had an idea about this because of how crazy/fast it got put together. Which is why he references new players for the Big Red but specifically not really goalies - because everyone and their mother thought Cournoyer was coming back. So Casey and co are just as shocked as we are.

We'll have to see - hopefully Casey can grab a League Average guy with solid academics from the portal and we go from there. The Roest/Katz tandem is like... I think they're both wonderful individuals but MAN that would be a terrifying goalie situation.

How does anyone know that Roest/Katz cannot be replacement level.  Np one has seen them play. Recall Shane was a third string guy who got thrown in because Schaf was dissatisfied with Howe/MacDonald and boom he beats UND twice.  Maybe it is the system. 

Besides, how do you know they're both wonderful individuals?

The walls at Lynah have ears and eyes

Agreed that both COULD be good. But even in Ian Shane's annus horribilis, they trotted him out over Keopple and freshman Katz. Roest similarly hasn't been trusted at all yet.

Either COULD be the league average goalie we need, for sure. But neither has shown that, or been trusted to show that. Which leads me to believe that neither of them is. And that Casey is aware of that.

[stereax]

Another possibility.  Say we were down to the wire recruiting a goalie who is incoming in September 2026, but he chose elsewhere worried he would be stuck behind Alexis for 3 years.  Well, life just changed.  And if we pursued him the academics is there.

Would it be scummy of him to double back?  In the new environment I don't even know anymore.  It may be that now everything, every day is contingent.  "Good night, Westley. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."

I have heard so many "scummy" stories this week. I'm not publishing them on CHN because, honestly, they've become so frequent, it's practically not news anymore. We'll be doing some articles that are summaries of this week and what not. But the stories are pretty crazy. One kid "committed" to Bowling Green from the portal. At the last second, another school swooped in and offered the kid double, so he switched. The agent sent a text to BG apologizing. And at this point, if Cornell had to do the same, could you blame them?

That one who got like 35k?

[stereax]

The other thing you guys fail to realize is even IF we go in with a Roest/Katz tandem, we will only have 2 goalies rostered.

If/when one gets hurt, we are fucked.

You simply HAVE to get a third goalie. Somehow, some way. Whether it's portal, super late recruit, whatever. But I don't think any team nowadays has only 2 rostered goalies.

[scoop85]

The walls at Lynah have ears and eyes

Agreed that both COULD be good. But even in Ian Shane's annus horribilis, they trotted him out over Keopple and freshman Katz. Roest similarly hasn't been trusted at all yet.

Either COULD be the league average goalie we need, for sure. But neither has shown that, or been trusted to show that. Which leads me to believe that neither of them is. And that Casey is aware of that.

But given we had a senior who showed competency and they brought in a highly touted drafted guy, there was no way either Katz or Roest were going to see any ice time unless both Keopple and Cornouyer placed to .850 save percentages. So, we really don't know what Casey and the staff think of these guys.

[BearLover]

Sorry to be that guy but for every instance of a Shane (third string goalie stealing the starting job), there are 20 instances of that not happening. But I agree, we can't conclude much about Roest and Katz other than that they were worse than Keopple/Cournoyer last season. And as stereax said we need another goalie, period, as we currently carry only two and Cirka is surely going back to juniors next year.

[adamw]

Data point ... this is the amount of CHIP added/lost on a per conference basis in the first week of the transfer portal.  B10 the only one with a net add.

1. Big Ten +311.8
2. NCHC -57.2
3. Hockey East -119.4
4. CCHA -148.0
5. ECAC -240.7
6. AHA -428.3
7. Indie -450.6

[BearLover]

Data point ... this is the amount of CHIP added/lost on a per conference basis in the first week of the transfer portal.  B10 the only one with a net add.

1. Big Ten +311.8
2. NCHC -57.2
3. Hockey East -119.4
4. CCHA -148.0
5. ECAC -240.7
6. AHA -428.3
7. Indie -450.6

Telling/interesting stat, but if you separate out the Ivies it looks quite a bit different for us. Literally just Cournoyer and one Brown player to leave the conference. 

[stereax]

Data point ... this is the amount of CHIP added/lost on a per conference basis in the first week of the transfer portal.  B10 the only one with a net add.

1. Big Ten +311.8
2. NCHC -57.2
3. Hockey East -119.4
4. CCHA -148.0
5. ECAC -240.7
6. AHA -428.3
7. Indie -450.6

Squinting. How do these numbers add up?

Are they including guys in the portal who haven't landed yet?

[stereax]

The walls at Lynah have ears and eyes

Agreed that both COULD be good. But even in Ian Shane's annus horribilis, they trotted him out over Keopple and freshman Katz. Roest similarly hasn't been trusted at all yet.

Either COULD be the league average goalie we need, for sure. But neither has shown that, or been trusted to show that. Which leads me to believe that neither of them is. And that Casey is aware of that.

But given we had a senior who showed competency and they brought in a highly touted drafted guy, there was no way either Katz or Roest were going to see any ice time unless both Keopple and Cornouyer placed to .850 save percentages. So, we really don't know what Casey and the staff think of these guys.

We know that the staff think they're worse than Cournoyer (when he wasn't all that great after November) and Keopple. And it wasn't about pissing off Cournoyer either - Keopple got what I would argue was too many starts in October and November because Casey seemed committed to tandeming them. Ultimately, they're going to choose who they think is the best goalie, no matter who it is.

If we say Cournoyer was League Average, this implies Roest and Katz are worse than League Average.

[The Rancor]

Data point ... this is the amount of CHIP added/lost on a per conference basis in the first week of the transfer portal.  B10 the only one with a net add.

1. Big Ten +311.8
2. NCHC -57.2
3. Hockey East -119.4
4. CCHA -148.0
5. ECAC -240.7
6. AHA -428.3
7. Indie -450.6

Big 10 is big mad they still don't have a Natty.

[The Rancor]

Sorry to be that guy but for every instance of a Shane (third string goalie stealing the starting job), there are 20 instances of that not happening. But I agree, we can't conclude much about Roest and Katz other than that they were worse than Keopple/Cournoyer last season. And as stereax said we need another goalie, period, as we currently carry only two and Cirka is surely going back to juniors next year.

Not gospel, but EP shows Cirka coming to East Hill in 26-27 Nick Cirka

[BearLover]

Sorry to be that guy but for every instance of a Shane (third string goalie stealing the starting job), there are 20 instances of that not happening. But I agree, we can't conclude much about Roest and Katz other than that they were worse than Keopple/Cournoyer last season. And as stereax said we need another goalie, period, as we currently carry only two and Cirka is surely going back to juniors next year.

Not gospel, but EP shows Cirka coming to East Hill in 26-27 Nick Cirka

I assume EP just lists a player as matriculating at college the next year they aren't accounted for on a roster. So if Cirka isn't yet on a roster for next season, they mark him as matriculating at Cornell. I'd be very surprised if this happens.