Money: Cornellians lost to (and gained from) the portal

[The Rancor]

The walls at Lynah have ears and eyes

Agreed that both COULD be good. But even in Ian Shane's annus horribilis, they trotted him out over Keopple and freshman Katz. Roest similarly hasn't been trusted at all yet.

Either COULD be the league average goalie we need, for sure. But neither has shown that, or been trusted to show that. Which leads me to believe that neither of them is. And that Casey is aware of that.

But given we had a senior who showed competency and they brought in a highly touted drafted guy, there was no way either Katz or Roest were going to see any ice time unless both Keopple and Cornouyer placed to .850 save percentages. So, we really don't know what Casey and the staff think of these guys.

We know that the staff think they're worse than Cournoyer (when he wasn't all that great after November) and Keopple. And it wasn't about pissing off Cournoyer either - Keopple got what I would argue was too many starts in October and November because Casey seemed committed to tandeming them. Ultimately, they're going to choose who they think is the best goalie, no matter who it is.

If we say Cournoyer was League Average, this implies Roest and Katz are worse than League Average.

All our legendary goalies, except perhaps Dryden (who proved himself on the freshman team) have battled for a starting spot or platooned until one emerged. Competition is good. A solid tandem is good. A reliable back up is good. You do know that Roest and Katz are training with the same coaches and teams all year- plus summer clinics and training. They don't have zero experience against elite D-1 or Junior players. They are surrounded by them. Of course game day pressure is a factor, but they can compete when called upon, or they wouldn't be at Goalie U.

[stereax]

Sorry to be that guy but for every instance of a Shane (third string goalie stealing the starting job), there are 20 instances of that not happening. But I agree, we can't conclude much about Roest and Katz other than that they were worse than Keopple/Cournoyer last season. And as stereax said we need another goalie, period, as we currently carry only two and Cirka is surely going back to juniors next year.

Not gospel, but EP shows Cirka coming to East Hill in 26-27 Nick Cirka

I assume EP just lists a player as matriculating at college the next year they aren't accounted for on a roster. So if Cirka isn't yet on a roster for next season, they mark him as matriculating at Cornell. I'd be very surprised if this happens.

EP is FREQUENTLY wrong about when players matriculate.

[stereax]

The walls at Lynah have ears and eyes

Agreed that both COULD be good. But even in Ian Shane's annus horribilis, they trotted him out over Keopple and freshman Katz. Roest similarly hasn't been trusted at all yet.

Either COULD be the league average goalie we need, for sure. But neither has shown that, or been trusted to show that. Which leads me to believe that neither of them is. And that Casey is aware of that.

But given we had a senior who showed competency and they brought in a highly touted drafted guy, there was no way either Katz or Roest were going to see any ice time unless both Keopple and Cornouyer placed to .850 save percentages. So, we really don't know what Casey and the staff think of these guys.

We know that the staff think they're worse than Cournoyer (when he wasn't all that great after November) and Keopple. And it wasn't about pissing off Cournoyer either - Keopple got what I would argue was too many starts in October and November because Casey seemed committed to tandeming them. Ultimately, they're going to choose who they think is the best goalie, no matter who it is.

If we say Cournoyer was League Average, this implies Roest and Katz are worse than League Average.

All our legendary goalies, except perhaps Dryden (who proved himself on the freshman team) have battled for a starting spot or platooned until one emerged. Competition is good. A solid tandem is good. A reliable back up is good. You do know that Roest and Katz are training with the same coaches and teams all year- plus summer clinics and training. They don't have zero experience against elite D-1 or Junior players. They are surrounded by them. Of course game day pressure is a factor, but they can compete when called upon, or they wouldn't be at Goalie U.

They haven't had in-game experience in one or two years, depending on which one you choose. That's my point. That's the problem. Yes, they train with the Cornell players, staff, etcetera. They haven't been in a real game in a long time, though.

There's a reason backup goalies at the NCAA level almost never continue with hockey.

[The Rancor]

The walls at Lynah have ears and eyes

Agreed that both COULD be good. But even in Ian Shane's annus horribilis, they trotted him out over Keopple and freshman Katz. Roest similarly hasn't been trusted at all yet.

Either COULD be the league average goalie we need, for sure. But neither has shown that, or been trusted to show that. Which leads me to believe that neither of them is. And that Casey is aware of that.

But given we had a senior who showed competency and they brought in a highly touted drafted guy, there was no way either Katz or Roest were going to see any ice time unless both Keopple and Cornouyer placed to .850 save percentages. So, we really don't know what Casey and the staff think of these guys.

We know that the staff think they're worse than Cournoyer (when he wasn't all that great after November) and Keopple. And it wasn't about pissing off Cournoyer either - Keopple got what I would argue was too many starts in October and November because Casey seemed committed to tandeming them. Ultimately, they're going to choose who they think is the best goalie, no matter who it is.

If we say Cournoyer was League Average, this implies Roest and Katz are worse than League Average.

All our legendary goalies, except perhaps Dryden (who proved himself on the freshman team) have battled for a starting spot or platooned until one emerged. Competition is good. A solid tandem is good. A reliable back up is good. You do know that Roest and Katz are training with the same coaches and teams all year- plus summer clinics and training. They don't have zero experience against elite D-1 or Junior players. They are surrounded by them. Of course game day pressure is a factor, but they can compete when called upon, or they wouldn't be at Goalie U.

They haven't had in-game experience in one or two years, depending on which one you choose. That's my point. That's the problem. Yes, they train with the Cornell players, staff, etcetera. They haven't been in a real game in a long time, though.

There's a reason backup goalies at the NCAA level almost never continue with hockey.

Everyone goes to Beer League eventually.

[stereax]

The walls at Lynah have ears and eyes

Agreed that both COULD be good. But even in Ian Shane's annus horribilis, they trotted him out over Keopple and freshman Katz. Roest similarly hasn't been trusted at all yet.

Either COULD be the league average goalie we need, for sure. But neither has shown that, or been trusted to show that. Which leads me to believe that neither of them is. And that Casey is aware of that.

But given we had a senior who showed competency and they brought in a highly touted drafted guy, there was no way either Katz or Roest were going to see any ice time unless both Keopple and Cornouyer placed to .850 save percentages. So, we really don't know what Casey and the staff think of these guys.

We know that the staff think they're worse than Cournoyer (when he wasn't all that great after November) and Keopple. And it wasn't about pissing off Cournoyer either - Keopple got what I would argue was too many starts in October and November because Casey seemed committed to tandeming them. Ultimately, they're going to choose who they think is the best goalie, no matter who it is.

If we say Cournoyer was League Average, this implies Roest and Katz are worse than League Average.

All our legendary goalies, except perhaps Dryden (who proved himself on the freshman team) have battled for a starting spot or platooned until one emerged. Competition is good. A solid tandem is good. A reliable back up is good. You do know that Roest and Katz are training with the same coaches and teams all year- plus summer clinics and training. They don't have zero experience against elite D-1 or Junior players. They are surrounded by them. Of course game day pressure is a factor, but they can compete when called upon, or they wouldn't be at Goalie U.

They haven't had in-game experience in one or two years, depending on which one you choose. That's my point. That's the problem. Yes, they train with the Cornell players, staff, etcetera. They haven't been in a real game in a long time, though.

There's a reason backup goalies at the NCAA level almost never continue with hockey.

Everyone goes to Beer League eventually.

All routes lead to beer league 😌

[adamw]

Sorry to be that guy but for every instance of a Shane (third string goalie stealing the starting job), there are 20 instances of that not happening. But I agree, we can't conclude much about Roest and Katz other than that they were worse than Keopple/Cournoyer last season. And as stereax said we need another goalie, period, as we currently carry only two and Cirka is surely going back to juniors next year.

Not gospel, but EP shows Cirka coming to East Hill in 26-27 Nick Cirka

I assume EP just lists a player as matriculating at college the next year they aren't accounted for on a roster. So if Cirka isn't yet on a roster for next season, they mark him as matriculating at Cornell. I'd be very surprised if this happens.

EP *attempts* to have it for the year they are incoming, but it's wrong a lot.  We have a deal with EP where we pull in their data, so if you go here:

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/reports/roster/Cornell/18

You can see what it has for Cornell players in one spot.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

Cournoyer said he entered the transfer portal because he was looking for a new challenge.
"I just wanted to jump to the next level," he said. "I decided to enter the portal because we thought, my family and my adviser, that I could get a better opportunity. And Wisconsin reached out right after so it worked out pretty well."

But hey, that argument that we want the ECAC to be a weak conference sure holds up.

somehow i doubt the sole reason he went to wisconsin was a "new level". although that's rich to say!

New income level, maybe.   

[billhoward]

But in any case,
I think you were missing the bigger picture.

Why deflect the other person's points?
What did the coach say when you went out for Debate Club?

[stereax]

McNally on the transfer.

Nothing really new here that we haven't seen or covered, except even she insinuates that $ could be at play.

[BearLover]

But in any case,
I think you were missing the bigger picture.

Why deflect the other person's points?
What did the coach say when you went out for Debate Club?

You're quoting a snippet of something I posted three days ago without providing any additional context so I have no idea what you're responding to.

[adamw]

McNally on the transfer.

Nothing really new here that we haven't seen or covered, except even she insinuates that $ could be at play.

I'd advise everyone to pretty much ignore any quotes from Cournoyer. It's the same as every kid in the country. It's the same as Robertson. "need a better place, somewhere I could do my best, some other cockamamie reason" ... Denver just lost Hagen Burrows to Notre Dame. I'm sure he'll say the same thing. Is anyone going to take that seriously - that leaving Denver for Notre Dame is great for his development?

Every coach in the country is dealing with this - sometimes 5 times over. Just this week.  It would be better for everyone's blood pressure if they just rolled their eyes and moved on - coaches included.

[stereax]

McNally on the transfer.

Nothing really new here that we haven't seen or covered, except even she insinuates that $ could be at play.

I'd advise everyone to pretty much ignore any quotes from Cournoyer. It's the same as every kid in the country. It's the same as Robertson. "need a better place, somewhere I could do my best, some other cockamamie reason" ... Denver just lost Hagen Burrows to Notre Dame. I'm sure he'll say the same thing. Is anyone going to take that seriously - that leaving Denver for Notre Dame is great for his development?

Every coach in the country is dealing with this - sometimes 5 times over. Just this week.  It would be better for everyone's blood pressure if they just rolled their eyes and moved on - coaches included.

Oh, no, I know. I just find it funny that even McNally points out the NIL $.

[Bluelightning]

So we are "stuck" with Erick Roest as our goalie unless we "tamper"
With another team's goalie and lure them to Ithaca. So let's make sure Roest sees
The least amount of shots and shore up the defense. Hoyt bailing doesn't help. But possibly we can find something amazing in the portal. If not then we have to score a lot.
We have been very fortunate in goal for awhile. Galadja, Shane, Cournoyer/Koepple. Too bad Jack O'Brien is graduating. He's bailed us out playing different positions. I'd put him in goalie pads and give him a crack

[underskill]

We appear to have a goalie from Maine per the Instagram

[BearLover]

Mathis Rousseau seems like the best option

BL vindicated again