Money: Cornellians lost to (and gained from) the portal

[Trotsky]

Money, it's a hit
Don't give me that do goody-good bullshit

So.  Here we are in the New World.

I am still harboring the minuscule hope that the Cournoyer news is all just a big misunderstanding, as it has yet to be formally reported.

An attempt at listing all the Cornell non-seniors lost to / gained from the portal.

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2021 - Michael Regush --> Miami
2021 - Matt Galajda --> Notre Dame
2021 - Joe Leahy --> Vermont
2021 - Cam Donaldson --> Massachusetts
2022 + Gabriel Seger <-- Union
2022 - Ben Tupker --> Union
2022 + Ryan McInchak <-- AIC
2022 - Joe Howe --> whereabouts unknown
2025 - Ben Robertson --> Michigan
2025 + Luke Ashton <-- Minn. Mankato
2025 + Michael Fisher <-- Northeastern (via Penticton)
2026 - Alexis Cournoyer --> TBD

[BearLover]

Money, it's a hit
Don't give me that do goody-good bullshit

So.  Here we are in the New World.

I am still harboring the minuscule hope that the Cournoyer news is all just a big misunderstanding, as it has yet to be formally reported.

An attempt at listing all the Cornell non-seniors lost to / gained from the portal.

Code Select Expand

2021 - Michael Regush --> Miami
2021 - Matt Galajda --> Notre Dame
2021 - Joe Leahy --> Vermont
2022 + Gabriel Seger <-- Union
2022 - Ben Tupker --> Union
2022 + Ryan McInchak <-- AIC
2022 - Joe Howe --> whereabouts unknown
2025 - Ben Robertson --> Michigan
2025 + Luke Ashton <-- Minn. Mankato
2025 + Michael Fisher <-- Northeastern (via Penticton)
2026 - Alexis Cournoyer --> TBD

The first 3 players on the list would have stayed but left because they thought they would have no eligibility left after the canceled COVID year. Tupker graduated in 3 years. Howe I don't think ever actually transferred out, he just put his name in the portal. Robertson and now Cournoyer are the first true non-seniors to jump.

[Trotsky]

Money, it's a hit
Don't give me that do goody-good bullshit

So.  Here we are in the New World.

I am still harboring the minuscule hope that the Cournoyer news is all just a big misunderstanding, as it has yet to be formally reported.

An attempt at listing all the Cornell non-seniors lost to / gained from the portal.

Code Select Expand

2021 - Michael Regush --> Miami
2021 - Matt Galajda --> Notre Dame
2021 - Joe Leahy --> Vermont
2022 + Gabriel Seger <-- Union
2022 - Ben Tupker --> Union
2022 + Ryan McInchak <-- AIC
2022 - Joe Howe --> whereabouts unknown
2025 - Ben Robertson --> Michigan
2025 + Luke Ashton <-- Minn. Mankato
2025 + Michael Fisher <-- Northeastern (via Penticton)
2026 - Alexis Cournoyer --> TBD

The first 3 players on the list would have stayed but left because they thought they would have no eligibility left after the canceled COVID year. Tupker graduated in 3 years. Howe I don't think ever actually transferred out, he just put his name in the portal. Robertson and now Cournoyer are the first true non-seniors to jump.

I believe they could have applied for another year of eligibility but would have had to wait through all of yet another year.  I thought that was the whole anger with TPTB, that they dragged their feet on the policy and had they announced it up front then the players would have stayed with us?  But if they could never have returned I will strip them off. 

Tupker I had no idea, thanks!

If Howe stayed in school but dropped hockey that explains it and I'll scratch him too.  Good info, thank you.

[BearLover]

Money, it's a hit
Don't give me that do goody-good bullshit

So.  Here we are in the New World.

I am still harboring the minuscule hope that the Cournoyer news is all just a big misunderstanding, as it has yet to be formally reported.

An attempt at listing all the Cornell non-seniors lost to / gained from the portal.

Code Select Expand

2021 - Michael Regush --> Miami
2021 - Matt Galajda --> Notre Dame
2021 - Joe Leahy --> Vermont
2022 + Gabriel Seger <-- Union
2022 - Ben Tupker --> Union
2022 + Ryan McInchak <-- AIC
2022 - Joe Howe --> whereabouts unknown
2025 - Ben Robertson --> Michigan
2025 + Luke Ashton <-- Minn. Mankato
2025 + Michael Fisher <-- Northeastern (via Penticton)
2026 - Alexis Cournoyer --> TBD

The first 3 players on the list would have stayed but left because they thought they would have no eligibility left after the canceled COVID year. Tupker graduated in 3 years. Howe I don't think ever actually transferred out, he just put his name in the portal. Robertson and now Cournoyer are the first true non-seniors to jump.

I believe they could have applied for another year of eligibility but would have had to wait through all of yet another year.  I thought that was the whole anger with TPTB, that they dragged their feet on the policy and had they announced it up front then the players would have stayed with us?  But if they could never have returned I will strip them off. 

Tupker I had no idea, thanks!

If Howe stayed in school but dropped hockey that explains it and I'll scratch him too.  Good info, thank you.

I'm not sure how it worked exactly but those guys were all planning on coming back until COVID wiped out the year. Cam Donaldson is another in the same boat who wasn't on your list.

[Bluelightning]

I've been enjoying looking at the transfer portal and seeing only Winter Wallace for Cornell while all these other schools get pillaged. Cournoyer going changes all that. Definitely didn't see him leaving, especially as a freshman. If we start to become a "farm team" for the likes of Denver, North Dakota, Michigan, etc....I won't be able to stomach it.
     Ben Robertson leaving last year hit me hard. His sophomore season wasn't as amazing as he expected (like Castagna...he couldn't buy a break last year). Not sure if Robertson had a decent "net gain" by leaving Cornell. He gets more rides in airplanes, probably more $$ in his pocket, and ??. He's a first line D man here.

[BigRedLaw]

I was expecting this team to get better for the next two years as this young team got more experience, with Cournoyer as the most important piece.  Losing Cournoyer would be catastrophic.  Hopefully he changes his mind or we can get somebody to pony up some money to match whatever offer he might be leaving for (assuming that's the case?).

[Trotsky]

I'm not sure how it worked exactly but those guys were all planning on coming back until COVID wiped out the year. Cam Donaldson is another in the same boat who wasn't on your list.

This is how I remember it.  I could be wrong.  The Ivy League eventually announced guys who stayed in school for four years but missed out playing in 2021 because the season was canceled, could apply for their fourth year of athletic eligibility, even if that meant they were grad students and would otherwise run afoul of the Ivy's cynical and stupid No Grad Students integrity theater posturing.

But.  They sat with their thumb in their ass for almost 18 months before they announced that.  Meanwhile, Regush, Galajda, Donaldson, and Leahy had no idea whether they would get fucked out of a year of eligibility, and Schafer actively encouraged them to transfer if they had an opportunity because nobody should ever trust the Ivies to not shoot themselves and others in the dick.

So they left.  And eventually the Ivies pulled out of the crying underage parlor maid for long enough to issue the decree that would have saved our four heroes.  I leave restitution as an exercise for the reader.

[BearLover]

I'm not sure how it worked exactly but those guys were all planning on coming back until COVID wiped out the year. Cam Donaldson is another in the same boat who wasn't on your list.

This is how I remember it.  I could be wrong.  The Ivy League eventually announced guys who stayed in school for four years but missed out on playing one of them, could be granted a fifth year of academic eligibility to complete their fourth year of athletic eligibility, even if that meant they were grad students and would otherwise run afoul of the Ivy's cynical and stupid No Grad Students academic integrity theater.

But.  They sat with their thumb in their ass for almost 18 months before they announced that.  Meanwhile, Regush, Galajda, Donaldson, and Leahy had no idea whether they would get fucked out of a year of eligibility, and Schafer actively encouraged them to transfer if they had an opportunity because nobody should ever trust the Ivies to not shoot themselves and others in the dick.

So they left.  And eventually the Ivies pulled out of the crying underage parlor maid for long enough to issue the decree that would have saved our four heroes.  I leave restitution as an exercise for the reader.

I think that's right. Also, Barron and Green went pro even though at minimum Green had been planning to return for his senior season.

Which to me distinguishes these cases from what we're currently seeing with Robertson and Cournoyer.

[stereax]

I was expecting this team to get better for the next two years as this young team got more experience, with Cournoyer as the most important piece.  Losing Cournoyer would be catastrophic.  Hopefully he changes his mind or we can get somebody to pony up some money to match whatever offer he might be leaving for (assuming that's the case?).

Sounds like a bidding war out there. Ivy rules also mean we can't be doing NIL shenanigans. I would be SHOCKED if he came back to Cornell. We'll have more luck scavenging the portal ourselves.

[BearLover]

I've been enjoying looking at the transfer portal and seeing only Winter Wallace for Cornell while all these other schools get pillaged. Cournoyer going changes all that. Definitely didn't see him leaving, especially as a freshman. If we start to become a "farm team" for the likes of Denver, North Dakota, Michigan, etc....I won't be able to stomach it.
     Ben Robertson leaving last year hit men hard. His sophomore season wasn't as amazing as he expected (like Castagna...he couldn't buy a break last year). Not sure if Robertson had a decent "net gain" by leaving Cornell. He gets more rides in airplanes, probably more $$ in his pocket, and ??. He's a first line D man here.

Robertson probably fucked up.

If we become a farm team for the blue bloods I'll just stop watching completely

[Snowball]

I've been enjoying looking at the transfer portal and seeing only Winter Wallace for Cornell while all these other schools get pillaged. Cournoyer going changes all that. Definitely didn't see him leaving, especially as a freshman. If we start to become a "farm team" for the likes of Denver, North Dakota, Michigan, etc....I won't be able to stomach it.
    Ben Robertson leaving last year hit men hard. His sophomore season wasn't as amazing as he expected (like Castagna...he couldn't buy a break last year). Not sure if Robertson had a decent "net gain" by leaving Cornell. He gets more rides in airplanes, probably more $$ in his pocket, and ??. He's a first line D man here.

Robertson probably fucked up.

If we become a farm team for the blue bloods I'll just stop watching completely

Agree. Feel sick to my stomach.

[BigRedLaw]

I was expecting this team to get better for the next two years as this young team got more experience, with Cournoyer as the most important piece.  Losing Cournoyer would be catastrophic.  Hopefully he changes his mind or we can get somebody to pony up some money to match whatever offer he might be leaving for (assuming that's the case?).

Sounds like a bidding war out there. Ivy rules also mean we can't be doing NIL shenanigans. I would be SHOCKED if he came back to Cornell. We'll have more luck scavenging the portal ourselves.

Can the Ivies regulate NIL shenanigans though?  I know the ivies opted out of the settlement that is supposed to establish a ~$20m salary cap, but given the current state of college athletics and the law how can the Ivies restrict "external" NIL agreements?

[stereax]

I was expecting this team to get better for the next two years as this young team got more experience, with Cournoyer as the most important piece.  Losing Cournoyer would be catastrophic.  Hopefully he changes his mind or we can get somebody to pony up some money to match whatever offer he might be leaving for (assuming that's the case?).

Sounds like a bidding war out there. Ivy rules also mean we can't be doing NIL shenanigans. I would be SHOCKED if he came back to Cornell. We'll have more luck scavenging the portal ourselves.

Can the Ivies regulate NIL shenanigans though?  I know the ivies opted out of the settlement that is supposed to establish a ~$20m salary cap, but given the current state of college athletics and the law how can the Ivies restrict "external" NIL agreements?

The Ivies restrict most forms of NIL based off Ivy elitism bullshit. Hence the thing with Penn basketball that they're putting the kids into high-paying internships as essentially a proxy to get them money. That seems to be the predominant way for Ivy athletes to get money without running into Ivy elitism bullshit rules - rumor has it on the forums that Schafer was working on something to that extent as well.

Also, NIL, while short for Name-Image-Likeness, isn't necessarily "paying the player to sponsor stuff" like you'd think it is. At this point it's basically a catchall for "any way a university can pay a player". Again - think the McKenna, Martone, etc deals. Guys like Robertson aren't actually being paid for their Name, Image, or Likeness anywhere, as far as I'm aware.

[Trotsky]

It's up to how the Ivies respond.  This affects all sports.  The Ivies have an even longer tradition of competing and winning at snob sports and then bragging about it at the Club than they do turning their nose up at athletic scholarships that little Sophia and Noah don't need because of the trust.

I'm not sure there is as much of a flop sweat desperation to hold on to the Ivies' scholarship and NIL posturing as there once was.  People have grown up.  OK, probably not parents in Westchester County, but that is not the only bread upon which Cornell is buttered anymore, particularly since they sold our soul for a mess of ENG grant pottage.

They may decide to drop the pretense.  It was always about protecting the fortunate sons from competition with the rabble, anyway.  As long as admissions standards remain, paying a talented forward who can hack it academically is fine by me.

[Trotsky]

So is it correct then that if, with my 200 billion dollars from acts I no longer wish to recall, I want to buy us players, I have to do it via some sort of front organization affiliated with the university?  The financial analog of the University of Tennessee Orange Pride hostesses?

I can't bribe the kid personally, I have to bribe him via an LLC?