Money: Cornellians lost to (and gained from) the portal

[andyw2100]

somehow i doubt the sole reason he went to wisconsin was a "new level". although that's ASSHOLISH to say!

Fixed your post...

[BearLover]

I thought we'd be in the running for Brown's top scorer Ivan Zadvernyuk who still hasn't committed anywhere, but now that we've brought in yet another forward recruit for next season I assume that's not happening.

BL vindicated again (somewhat). I'm pretty confused what the plan is with this roster. Are forwards leaving that we don't know about? I assume Dec isn't coming at this point?

[adamw]

I thought we'd be in the running for Brown's top scorer Ivan Zadvernyuk who still hasn't committed anywhere, but now that we've brought in yet another forward recruit for next season I assume that's not happening.

BL vindicated again (somewhat). I'm pretty confused what the plan is with this roster. Are forwards leaving that we don't know about? I assume Dec isn't coming at this point?

I said more were coming - you said I was crazy - but somehow you're vindicated. LOL. (just teasing on this one - let's not get into 20 messages of arguments.)

I don't think they're done.

[stereax]

I thought we'd be in the running for Brown's top scorer Ivan Zadvernyuk who still hasn't committed anywhere, but now that we've brought in yet another forward recruit for next season I assume that's not happening.

BL vindicated again (somewhat). I'm pretty confused what the plan is with this roster. Are forwards leaving that we don't know about? I assume Dec isn't coming at this point?

I said more were coming - you said I was crazy - but somehow you're vindicated. LOL. (just teasing on this one - let's not get into 20 messages of arguments.)

I don't think they're done.

They do know we only have four lines right 😅

[BearLover]

I thought we'd be in the running for Brown's top scorer Ivan Zadvernyuk who still hasn't committed anywhere, but now that we've brought in yet another forward recruit for next season I assume that's not happening.

BL vindicated again (somewhat). I'm pretty confused what the plan is with this roster. Are forwards leaving that we don't know about? I assume Dec isn't coming at this point?

I said more were coming - you said I was crazy - but somehow you're vindicated. LOL. (just teasing on this one - let's not get into 20 messages of arguments.)

I don't think they're done.

I did NOT say you were crazy dude. I was just saying I didn't understand how they'd fit within our roster. I still don't, unless we plan to carry 35 players.

[chimpfood]

Good thing we got Zadvernyuk, we needed a center bad. Hes probably our 3C next year if Walsh stays. This does make for a crowded roster but I wouldn't be surprised to see guys like Wehman, Hughes or Armstrong sent back for a last year of juniors for that reason. We could even send Dec back but I think he'll be a really valuable piece next year.

[BearLover]

Good thing we got Zadvernyuk, we needed a center bad. Hes probably our 3C next year if Walsh stays. This does make for a crowded roster but I wouldn't be surprised to see guys like Wehman, Hughes or Armstrong sent back for a last year of juniors for that reason. We could even send Dec back but I think he'll be a really valuable piece next year.

I was trying to find online whether Zadvernyuk is a C. If so, then this makes more sense and seems like quite a good pickup.

[Trotsky]

New plan: start 17 forwards and XV.

[BearLover]

Cournoyer said he entered the transfer portal because he was looking for a new challenge.
"I just wanted to jump to the next level," he said. "I decided to enter the portal because we thought, my family and my adviser, that I could get a better opportunity. And Wisconsin reached out right after so it worked out pretty well."

Next level? That's classy.

I say good riddance. I hope he winds up riding the pine at Wisconsin. He can feel good opening and closing the door for his new level of teammates.

Cournoyer just created a million BearLovers.

[adamw]

BTW - the story I heard is that Cournoyer's agent -- who is not very college hockey savvy -- was sending out e-mails to anyone that would listen. Wisconsin -- which had been shopping for a goalie, but not him -- was surprised to get an email like that out of the blue. And then things happened from there. Cornell's staff has been very aggressive in covering their butts from the expected increased amount of transience in college hockey now. But that is one they didn't really have an inkling about, as you can tell.

I get that the Big Ten is better overall than the ECAC, and has a higher profile. But it's completely misguided to believe he didn't have every opportunity to excel, improve and impress NHL types by staying at Cornell. I believe it demonstrates a lack of understanding for what he was getting into in the first place. So in that regard, que sera sera. It was a coup at the time, but he's also replaceable. The only issue is the timing, so we'll see.

[BearLover]

I'm glad people are finding reasons to root against players who quit on Cornell, but I wouldn't read too much into Cournoyer's "next level" comment. That's just gobbledygook. Something happened at Cornell that led him to ditch - my guess, he was struggling academically and didn't want to deal with being a serious student anymore. Yes, playing in the Big10 is nice, Wisconsin's facilities are nice, NIL (whatever it may be) is probably nice. But look at the many good players Cornell has, Harvard has, Dartmouth has. How many are transferring out? Just one: Cournoyer. The one* singular guy who transferred out of the Ivy League is the one who committed as a CHL late-bloomer. That's no coincidence.

*other than like one Brown guy to Northeastern after a coaching change

[BearLover]

BTW - the story I heard is that Cournoyer's agent -- who is not very college hockey savvy -- was sending out e-mails to anyone that would listen. Wisconsin -- which had been shopping for a goalie, but not him -- was surprised to get an email like that out of the blue. And then things happened from there. Cornell's staff has been very aggressive in covering their butts from the expected increased amount of transience in college hockey now. But that is one they didn't really have an inkling about, as you can tell.

I get that the Big Ten is better overall than the ECAC, and has a higher profile. But it's completely misguided to believe he didn't have every opportunity to excel, improve and impress NHL types by staying at Cornell. I believe it demonstrates a lack of understanding for what he was getting into in the first place. So in that regard, que sera sera. It was a coup at the time, but he's also replaceable. The only issue is the timing, so we'll see.

That makes sense and comports with my thoughts (our posts crossed). You obviously have more inside knowledge than I do, but this really did not seem like a Big 10 poaching situation. Rather, it seems like Cournoyer wanted out for some reason.

[andyw2100]

BTW - the story I heard is that Cournoyer's agent -- who is not very college hockey savvy -- was sending out e-mails to anyone that would listen. Wisconsin -- which had been shopping for a goalie, but not him -- was surprised to get an email like that out of the blue. And then things happened from there. Cornell's staff has been very aggressive in covering their butts from the expected increased amount of transience in college hockey now. But that is one they didn't really have an inkling about, as you can tell.

I get that the Big Ten is better overall than the ECAC, and has a higher profile. But it's completely misguided to believe he didn't have every opportunity to excel, improve and impress NHL types by staying at Cornell. I believe it demonstrates a lack of understanding for what he was getting into in the first place. So in that regard, que sera sera. It was a coup at the time, but he's also replaceable. The only issue is the timing, so we'll see.

I think Cournoyer is taking a huge risk for potentially little reward.

Best case scenario he beats out Hauser for the starting spot, and winds up starting for a team that may be marginally better than Cornell, with a marginally higher profile, in a marginally better league.

Worst case scenario Wisconsin figures out that "it was the system" at Cornell, decides Hauser is actually stronger, and Cournoyer sits most of the year, waiting to transfer again.

I think objectively it was a bad move on his part.

[chimpfood]

Went back to our goalie numbers since 07-08 and there was only one year where our goalies had a worse save percentage than Cournoyer this year, and that was last year. He was far from some savior for us. I was hopeful he could develop into a good player for us, so I think his loss is more of a long term blow and we won't actually see that much of a difference in goal next season (assuming we scrounge up a half decent starter, I fear that Roest and Katz suck).

[stereax]

BTW - the story I heard is that Cournoyer's agent -- who is not very college hockey savvy -- was sending out e-mails to anyone that would listen. Wisconsin -- which had been shopping for a goalie, but not him -- was surprised to get an email like that out of the blue. And then things happened from there. Cornell's staff has been very aggressive in covering their butts from the expected increased amount of transience in college hockey now. But that is one they didn't really have an inkling about, as you can tell.

I get that the Big Ten is better overall than the ECAC, and has a higher profile. But it's completely misguided to believe he didn't have every opportunity to excel, improve and impress NHL types by staying at Cornell. I believe it demonstrates a lack of understanding for what he was getting into in the first place. So in that regard, que sera sera. It was a coup at the time, but he's also replaceable. The only issue is the timing, so we'll see.

Lmfao. That's honestly hysterical.

And agreeing with BL, it definitely makes sense that Cournoyer's side initiated the Wisconsin thing.

The thing is, as Adam says, the coaching staff wouldn't have had an idea about this because of how crazy/fast it got put together. Which is why he references new players for the Big Red but specifically not really goalies - because everyone and their mother thought Cournoyer was coming back. So Casey and co are just as shocked as we are.

We'll have to see - hopefully Casey can grab a League Average guy with solid academics from the portal and we go from there. The Roest/Katz tandem is like... I think they're both wonderful individuals but MAN that would be a terrifying goalie situation.