Hockey at Fenway?

[jtwcornell91]

[quote DeltaOne81][quote krose][quote Liz '05]Massachusetts blue laws are awesome compared to Connecticut's.[/quote]
Doesn't make it any less dumb.

IMO, the state has no business telling me when or where I can buy or sell alcohol.  I admit the Constitution clearly disagrees, but in response to that, see my first statement. [/quote]


Honestly, if you can't plan a day in advance how much you need to drink, you probably shouldn't be drinking

Like Liz, I grew up in Ct. Just the idea of being able to buy liquor on a Sunday (though I haven't bought alcohol in a while anyway) is a vast improvement to me.[/quote]

There are definite perks to living in Orleans Parish.  I can stroll to the corner and buy hard liquor at the Rite Aid.  Or rather I could if it hadn't been looted with a forklift after Katrina and boarded up.  ::help::

[Rich S]

Are you overlooking Yankee Stadium? ::rolleyes::

[Josh '99]

[quote Rich S]Are you overlooking Yankee Stadium? ::rolleyes::[/quote]"Overlooking" implies that it was left out unintentionally.  Yankee Stadium is a disgusting hole that can't hold a candle to Wrigley Field.  (I feel the same way about Fenway.)

[Rich S]

Please clarify.  You have the same opionion of Fenway as of Yankee Stadium?  Or you believe that Fenway is closer to Wrigley?

Whichever the above, I think your characterization of the Mecca of MLB, which is in the Bronx, is grossly inaccurate.  "A disgusting hole"?  Isn't that a bit much, regardless of your team affiliation?

[ugarte]

[quote Rich S]"A disgusting hole"?  Isn't that a bit much, regardless of your team affiliation?[/quote]I love Yankee Stadium - and grew up going to games there - but I'd have to agree with jmh30.

[KeithK]

[quote ugarte][quote Rich S]"A disgusting hole"?  Isn't that a bit much, regardless of your team affiliation?[/quote]I love Yankee Stadium - and grew up going to games there - but I'd have to agree with jmh30.[/quote]I agree that Wrigley and Fenway are better ballparks than Yankee Stadium at this point.  But if we were talking about the old place - which I've only seen in pictures - then maybe the story would be different.  After the renovation the Stadium has too many '70s touches that take away from it.  That said, it still beats about 27 or so other ML parks in my mind.

[jeh25]

[quote krose][quote nyc94]Not to start a political flamefest but anyone else think it odd that one of the bluest of the blue states spent $17 billion on a highway?[/quote]
it's very blue state-ish to spend other peoples' money, given how much easier it is than spending one's own.[/quote]

Yeah. 'cause the red states certainly refuse billions in federal farm subsidies every year. oh wait...

The 15 states that benefit the most from these farm subsidy formulas would pay only 24% of the cost of commodity programs and receive 74% of the benefits.

Current farm bill proposals would force a multi-billion-dollar annual
redistribution of income from taxpayers in about two-thirds of the states to farms
in less than one-third of the states.
 
This redistribution would tend to flow geographically from the East coast, West
coast, and Mountain states inward to the Great Plains and Midwest heartland.

...nevermind.

I think your ideological filters cranked up a little high there Kyle.

So, congratulations! You helped shave 5 minutes off some peoples' commutes,

Interesting comment from the same guy that was slamming mass transit in his last post.

So if no one wants to ride mass transit, and highway construction is just an excuse to line cronies pockets, how should we get millions of Americans to work everyday? Hoverboards? Flying DeLoreans?

[RichS]

[quote KeithK][quote ugarte][quote Rich S]"A disgusting hole"?  Isn't that a bit much, regardless of your team affiliation?[/quote]I love Yankee Stadium - and grew up going to games there - but I'd have to agree with jmh30.[/quote]I agree that Wrigley and Fenway are better ballparks than Yankee Stadium at this point.  But if we were talking about the old place - which I've only seen in pictures - then maybe the story would be different.  After the renovation the Stadium has too many '70s touches that take away from it.  That said, it still beats about 27 or so other ML parks in my mind.[/quote]

As nostalgic as I can be at times, the reality is that the renovation after the '73 season was necessary to improve many situations, notably the pillars that created many partial view seats, inadequate concession stands by modern standards, bathrooms, etc.

I would have preferred that they kept the spacious dimensions the same and the monuments in the field of play, but that wasn't the directions stadiums were taking then.

Admittedly, both Fenway and Wrigley still have the old quirks that Yankee Stadium has largely done away with.  But if you evaluate just the inside of the structure and the field of play, no ballpark compares with it for the setting and its beauty.

I can't understand anyone referring to Yankee Stadium as a "disgusting hole."  You lose all credibilty when you do that, in my opinion.

[RichH]

[quote jeh25]
So if no one wants to ride mass transit, and highway construction is just an excuse to line cronies pockets, how should we get millions of Americans to work everyday? Hoverboards? Flying DeLoreans?[/quote]

Teleportation, clearly.

[Trotsky]

"It's the 21st century! I was promised flying cars! I don't see any flying cars!  Where are they???"

[Beeeej]

Frankly, I don't like the Yankees, but I have good memories of the stadium when I was a kid not long after the renovation.  I also like the setting - it's right near the courthouse and a much more pleasant subway ride than the 7 to Shea.  If I ever end up defending cases in the Bronx between April and September, you can bet I'll try to schedule my calendar calls for afternoons right before home games.  ;-)

(Then again, the firm's Yankee tickets are almost never available to associates... clients snap them up, and even partners often don't get a shot.  Not so with Knicks tickets - big surprise.)

Beeeej

[kaelistus]

Let me refute your refutation one by one (responses marked by a ---)

-You can gut subway to bus transfers, depending on the station. *** Who wants to ride the bus? -You can take the new Silver line from South Station (red line) directly to the airport. *** I repeat: who wants to ride the bus?

--- I do. What's wrong with riding a bus? I get to work in 15 minutes, amazingly its less late on average than the T, its clean, safe, and works just fine. Additionally Boston is one of the top 5 bikeable cities in the US and possibly the most walkable major city in the US. If you're driving then you're getting around the wrong way. Complaining about the city due to your inability to step away from a gas guzzler is dumb. The problem is yours and not the citys.

-I've been drinking in town since I was 18 and I've only been thrown out once (I deserved it). *** I am 30 years old this Saturday, and I still get carded about 1/2 the times I go out.

--- Who cares? Do you lose a rib every time you get carded?

-Liquor stores are open at least until 11:00 and are open on Sundays. The liquor laws in Massachusetts allow for stores called "package stores," which are usually much more classy than running to your local gas station in other jursidictions which usually carry only beer and wine. *** Why shouldn't I be able to buy beer 24 hours a day, 7 days a week?  Or liquor or wine, for that matter?  Blue laws suck.

--- Agreed. But honestly does it really make that big a difference in the end? I have some beer and wine in my fridge for those late night emergencies.

-The largest construction job in history is nearing completion adding much needed road capacity and easier travel (in addition to several acres of parks). *** The statistic I saw is that the new tunnel takes approximately 5 minutes away from a 35 minute commute.  Yeah, that was worth $17 billion dollars (and counting, due to the phenomenal leakage and graft).

--- But more importantly the city is now much more beautiful. Walk around the North end or the aquarium area and watch the incredible skyline.

-Logan airport is undergoing some important renovations including the addition of a new terminal, more retail and restaurant space, more parking, newer roads and traffic patterns, etc. *** And it still has one of the worst on-time records of any airport in the country.

--- Could this possibly be related to the snow? I've lived in Boston/Cambridge for 6 years now and i've been stuck a few times, but all of them have been either snow reasons or stupid airline reasons not directly related to the airport.

-The Garden is back thanks to the good folks at TD Banknorth. *** Huh?? What's changed from when it was called the Fleetcenter?  Not that the (real) Garden was a great place to watch hockey, but it certainly was a great place to *experience* hockey.

--- The Garden was crap. I don't see why anyone would want it back.

-Harvard is mostly in Cambridge. *** Ok, I give on this one.  But it's slowly encroaching on Allston.  Surely you know that the athletic facilities and the B-school are on that side, right?

--- Given that I find Cambridge/Boston to be in effect the same city. I'm going to have to agree with you.


Anyway, I really like this city and after 6 years, want to stay here longer. There's some bad thing in it (Drunk Sox Fans, T closing early, Bars closing early), but the good way outweighs it. Its clean, its low crime, its pretty, its got an awesome dance scene, some quality parks, nature up close, the ocean, good museums...

Felix

[Trotsky]

I'm sorry.  Did you just write "the Garden was crap" and expect anything else in your post to be taken seriously?

I lived within a 15 minute walk of the Garden for 5 years.  It was the best place I've even seen a hockey game.  Going into it to see a game was always electric -- even watching gaems I didn't care about, like the Beanpot or the Hockey East playoffs.  When they tore it down we lost one of the 3 or 4 greatest hockey buildings in the country.

I hate almost everything about Boston -- the obnoxious people, the unattractive women, the grating accent, the laughable parochialism, the pathetic machismo.  The only four things I'd save from the city are Fenway, the Isabella Gardner Museum, Matthews Arena, and the Garden.  The rest they should just plow into the Charles.

[nyc94]

[quote Trotsky]I'm sorry.  Did you just write "the Garden was crap" and expect anything else in your post to be taken seriously?

I lived within a 15 minute walk of the Garden for 5 years.  It was the best place I've even seen a hockey game.  Going into it to see a game was always electric -- even watching gaems I didn't care about, like the Beanpot or the Hockey East playoffs.  When they tore it down we lost one of the 3 or 4 greatest hockey buildings in the country.

I hate almost everything about Boston -- the obnoxious people, the unattractive women, the grating accent, the laughable parochialism, the pathetic machismo.  The only four things I'd save from the city are Fenway, the Isabella Gardner Museum, Matthews Arena, and the Garden.  The rest they should just plow into the Charles.[/quote]

Pot, meet kettle.

[Jim Hyla]

[quote Trotsky]I lived within a 15 minute walk of the Garden for 5 years.  It was the best place I've even seen a hockey game.  Going into it to see a game was always electric -- even watching gaems I didn't care about, like the Beanpot or the Hockey East playoffs.  When they tore it down we lost one of the 3 or 4 greatest hockey buildings in the country[/quote]For those oldtimers like me, nothing will ever replace the 5 hour drive to Boston, getting there just in time on a Friday to grab something at McDs, and then feeling our heart rate go up as we walked up the incline to the stadium seats. I'll never be able to replace that feeling regardless of ever winning another NCAA title. There was just too much history of going to the garden every year.

I only hope that you youngers;-) get to have that same feeling about what you are going through. Those memories can carry you through many a boring day.:-P