Hockey at Fenway?

[Rosey]

[quote nyc94]You left out the Kennedys.[/quote]
Trust me, I thought about it... but the Kennedys don't really have all that much impact on visitors, unless you're a hot babe who finds herself solicited by a senior senator with a bottle of Jack in one hand and a stick shift in the other, near any waterway in the Commonwealth.  Then you might have something to worry about.

Kyle

[nyc94]

[quote krose]Trust me, I thought about it... but the Kennedys don't really have all that much impact on visitors, unless you're a hot babe who finds herself solicited by a senior senator with a bottle of Jack in one hand and a stick shift in the other, near any waterway in the Commonwealth.  Then you might have something to worry about.[/quote]

Back in the 90s one of the Boston radio stations (WFNX, WAAF?) used to run a guide for new freshman and the last was a warning if "Ted offers you a ride home, take a cab."

[DeltaOne81]

[quote krose][quote jtwcornell91]The Green Line, subways that stop running at 00:30, no subway-to-bus transfers, having to change lines twice to get from Harvard/MIT to the airport, bars that throw you out instead of giving you drinking-up time, bars that don't take out-of-state IDs from people under 25 ...[/quote]
...ridiculously inadequate road capacity, high hotel prices even in the 'burbs, inability to buy beer anywhere but liquor stores that close at 9pm, hard-to-understand parking rules around street cleaning (which are designed to extract revenue, not clear the roads), craptacular night life, and Logan.

Logan deserves a section all of its own: (1) one of the worst on-time records in the country. (2) If you are unlucky enough to fly American, you'll end up in the terminal without any food beyond the security checkpoint. (3) No cheap short-term parking for picking up. (4) Roadways through Logan are a labyrinth.

Oh, and Harvard.

Kyle[/quote]

Its called character


Like if I want to get somewhere in NYC, what do I do? I go down X blocks and over Y avenues... Pfffff, what kinda lame ass wussy joke is that? (South of 14th St excluded, of course). In Boston, ya gotta work for it. And if you get trapped in the North, excuse me... Nahth, End... and die of starvation before you find a one way street that actually heads out, after running out of money buying $50 italian dinners... well, that's called survival of the fittest.

- Fred

[KeithK]

Don't like the team, but love the ballpark.  I really can't decide between Wrigley and Fenway.  But they're easily at the top of the list.

[Josh '99]

[quote Winnabago]Oh, and Fenway is not a bad place to visit when it's not overrun by Sox nuts.  I would be first in line for the hockey game(s) there.[/quote]You know all those BU and BC fans who will show up for hockey games there?  What baseball team you think they root for?  :-P

[Facetimer]

[quote krose][quote jtwcornell91]The Green Line, subways that stop running at 00:30, no subway-to-bus transfers, having to change lines twice to get from Harvard/MIT to the airport, bars that throw you out instead of giving you drinking-up time, bars that don't take out-of-state IDs from people under 25 ...[/quote]
...ridiculously inadequate road capacity, high hotel prices even in the 'burbs, inability to buy beer anywhere but liquor stores that close at 9pm, hard-to-understand parking rules around street cleaning (which are designed to extract revenue, not clear the roads), craptacular night life, and Logan.

Logan deserves a section all of its own: (1) one of the worst on-time records in the country. (2) If you are unlucky enough to fly American, you'll end up in the terminal without any food beyond the security checkpoint. (3) No cheap short-term parking for picking up. (4) Roadways through Logan are a labyrinth.

Oh, and Harvard.

Kyle[/quote]

You guys have it all wrong.

-You can gut subway to bus transfers, depending on the station.
-You can take the new Silver line from South Station (red line) directly to the airport.
-I've been drinking in town since I was 18 and I've only been thrown out once (I deserved it).
-Liquor stores are open at least until 11:00 and are open on Sundays.  The liquor laws in Massachusetts allow for stores called "package stores," which are usually much more classy than running to your local gas station in other jursidictions which usually carry only beer and wine.
-The largest construction job in history is nearing completion adding much needed road capacity and easier travel (in addition to several acres of parks).
-Logan airport is undergoing some important renovations including the addition of a new terminal, more retail and restaurant space, more parking, newer roads and traffic patterns, etc.
-The Garden is back thanks to the good folks at TD Banknorth.
-Harvard is mostly in Cambridge.

The only people that complain about Boston are those that haven't left Oregon in years, you know who you are.

[Rosey]

[quote Facetimer]The only people that complain about Boston are those that haven't left Oregon in years, you know who you are.[/quote]
I live in Boston, jackass.  Have for 7-1/2 very long years.

Let me refute your points one by one:

-You can gut subway to bus transfers, depending on the station. *** Who wants to ride the bus?

-You can take the new Silver line from South Station (red line) directly to the airport. *** I repeat: who wants to ride the bus?

-I've been drinking in town since I was 18 and I've only been thrown out once (I deserved it). *** I am 30 years old this Saturday, and I still get carded about 1/2 the times I go out.

-Liquor stores are open at least until 11:00 and are open on Sundays. The liquor laws in Massachusetts allow for stores called "package stores," which are usually much more classy than running to your local gas station in other jursidictions which usually carry only beer and wine. *** Why shouldn't I be able to buy beer 24 hours a day, 7 days a week?  Or liquor or wine, for that matter?  Blue laws suck.

-The largest construction job in history is nearing completion adding much needed road capacity and easier travel (in addition to several acres of parks). *** The statistic I saw is that the new tunnel takes approximately 5 minutes away from a 35 minute commute.  Yeah, that was worth $17 billion dollars (and counting, due to the phenomenal leakage and graft).

-Logan airport is undergoing some important renovations including the addition of a new terminal, more retail and restaurant space, more parking, newer roads and traffic patterns, etc. *** And it still has one of the worst on-time records of any airport in the country.

-The Garden is back thanks to the good folks at TD Banknorth. *** Huh?? What's changed from when it was called the Fleetcenter?  Not that the (real) Garden was a great place to watch hockey, but it certainly was a great place to *experience* hockey.

-Harvard is mostly in Cambridge. *** Ok, I give on this one.  But it's slowly encroaching on Allston.  Surely you know that the athletic facilities and the B-school are on that side, right?

Cheers,
Kyle

[Facetimer]

[quote krose][quote Facetimer]The only people that complain about Boston are those that haven't left Oregon in years, you know who you are.[/quote]
I live in Boston, jackass.  Have for 7-1/2 very long years.

Let me refute your points one by one:

-You can gut subway to bus transfers, depending on the station. *** Who wants to ride the bus?

-You can take the new Silver line from South Station (red line) directly to the airport. *** I repeat: who wants to ride the bus?

-I've been drinking in town since I was 18 and I've only been thrown out once (I deserved it). *** I am 30 years old this Saturday, and I still get carded about 1/2 the times I go out.

-Liquor stores are open at least until 11:00 and are open on Sundays. The liquor laws in Massachusetts allow for stores called "package stores," which are usually much more classy than running to your local gas station in other jursidictions which usually carry only beer and wine. *** Why shouldn't I be able to buy beer 24 hours a day, 7 days a week?  Or liquor or wine, for that matter?  Blue laws suck.

-The largest construction job in history is nearing completion adding much needed road capacity and easier travel (in addition to several acres of parks). *** The statistic I saw is that the new tunnel takes approximately 5 minutes away from a 35 minute commute.  Yeah, that was worth $17 billion dollars (and counting, due to the phenomenal leakage and graft).

-Logan airport is undergoing some important renovations including the addition of a new terminal, more retail and restaurant space, more parking, newer roads and traffic patterns, etc. *** And it still has one of the worst on-time records of any airport in the country.

-The Garden is back thanks to the good folks at TD Banknorth. *** Huh?? What's changed from when it was called the Fleetcenter?  Not that the (real) Garden was a great place to watch hockey, but it certainly was a great place to *experience* hockey.

-Harvard is mostly in Cambridge. *** Ok, I give on this one.  But it's slowly encroaching on Allston.  Surely you know that the athletic facilities and the B-school are on that side, right?

Cheers,
Kyle[/quote]

I think I forgot to mention the beligerant Irishmen.

[jtwcornell91]

[quote krose][quote Facetimer]The only people that complain about Boston are those that haven't left Oregon in years, you know who you are.[/quote]
I live in Boston, jackass.  Have for 7-1/2 very long years.
[/quote]

I believe he was trying to get in a dig at someone who actually moved to Virginia a couple of years ago.

[KeithK]

[q]The statistic I saw is that the new tunnel takes approximately 5 minutes away from a 35 minute commute. Yeah, that was worth $17 billion dollars (and counting, due to the phenomenal leakage and graft).[/q]As if the Big Dig was ever about improving commute times...

[nyc94]

[quote KeithK]As if the Big Dig was ever about improving commute times...[/quote]

Not to start a political flamefest but anyone else think it odd that one of the bluest of the blue states spent $17 billion on a highway?

[Winnabago]

[quote jmh30][quote Winnabago]Oh, and Fenway is not a bad place to visit when it's not overrun by Sox nuts.  I would be first in line for the hockey game(s) there.[/quote]You know all those BU and BC fans who will show up for hockey games there?  What baseball team you think they root for?  :-P[/quote]

I trust BU fans can make the 5 minute walk from Agganis, but BC?  Come on, that's far.  And, no, I'm not going to be wearing a Jeter jersey.

Seriously though, the crowd for a BU-BC game could be large and plenty rowdy, but face it, Harvard-Cornell couldn't fill 36k. Or even half that if you only count seats with decent proximity to a rectange in the outfield.  I'm also just assuming that the Bright Handful wouldn't be attending, unless they offer a carpool of Priuses over.  

The concept is a great idea, as long as Northleastern doesn't get involved.  I would love to see how they handled the ice surface in a baseball-oriented park.

[Rosey]

[quote nyc94]Not to start a political flamefest but anyone else think it odd that one of the bluest of the blue states spent $17 billion on a highway?[/quote]
The vast majority of that money came from out of state.  So I guess they technically did spend it, but it's very blue state-ish to spend other peoples' money, given how much easier it is than spending one's own.

So, congratulations!  You helped shave 5 minutes off some peoples' commutes, and subsidized a massive wealth transfer to the owners of buildings in the North End and to the politically well-connected tycoons responsible for the impending commericial complexes that will inevitably take priority over the green space that was originally planned.

Cheers,
Kyle

[Facetimer]

[quote krose]
So, congratulations!  You helped shave 5 minutes off some peoples' commutes, and subsidized a massive wealth transfer to the owners of buildings in the North End and to the politically well-connected tycoons responsible for the impending commericial complexes that will inevitably take priority over the green space that was originally planned.

Cheers,
Kyle[/quote]

I disagree with your 5 minute comment.  I used to commute from the North -- do you remember the god awful merge of Route 1 from the Tobin Bridge and Route 93.  After the merge there was gridlock all the way through to Dorchester.  Now during rush hour there is no merging traffic and no traffic in the artery.  Where they screwed up is just before the double decker where the lanes go from 4 to 2 (losing one to the HOV lane and one for some reason just disappears right after the Sullivan Square exit).  Once you get passed that bottle neck, I find the change welcomed.  Going to the airport from 93 has improved as you don't need to get off at Haymarket and the exits are east to make in the tunnel.

As for the development of the greenway, etc. I work at 28 State Street and we have an unobstructed view of the parks they are building between the Garden and Long Wharf (by the Marriot).  You can't see the progress from the street because of the fences, but from a birds eye view, it is almost to the point that all they need to do is the landscaping and they are done.  It was quite an impressive transformation from what it used to be.  Comparing private to public development is like comparing apples to oranges.  Besides the owners of those properties in the North End have had to live with the ugly green elevated highway pre-Big Dig.  They deserve the increased property values as they took the risk of purchasing the less than ideal property.

I just wish everyone stopped complaining for the sake of complaining and realized the vast improvement the new layout is (including the Ted Williams Tunnel, Rose Kennedy Greenway, new loop ramp from the Tobin Bridge, etc.)

[Trotsky]

[quote krose]it's very blue state-ish to spend other peoples' money, given how much easier it is than spending one's own.[/quote]
Considering that the blue states are a net positive and the red states are a net negative when considering federal revenue vs federal expenditure, and thus that the blue states are subsidizing the red states, you don't want to make those kinds of asinine statements.

Please observe the non-political nature of the board and keep the comments to hockey, where you might know something.