Opponent and other news and results 2025-2026

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ugarte

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Quote from: fastforward on April 14, 2026, 05:45:12 PMThis annoys me to no end 😡
I understand he has to do what is best for him but what the heck ever happened to commitment

I'll just say that you never know the circumstances. Maybe he's miserable in Ithaca or has some other reason to want to leave.

Or maybe he's pursuing a big bag of cash. I can't really fault him for that, either.
I get it but wondering how a prospective employer looks at these types of situations beyond hockey
they absolutely do not give a shit. stop inventing things to be concerned about.

Iceberg

#1171
I'm not going to speculate as of yet. It'll be clearer once we see where he lands and any other information that comes out. At least with Robertson, you could infer it wasn't because of academics and financial aid may have been a contributing factor. It's too early to tell with Cournoyer

BearLover

Quote from: Iceberg on April 14, 2026, 10:10:58 PMI'm not going to speculate as of yet. It'll be clearer once we see where he lands and any other information that comes out. At least with Robertson, you could infer it wasn't because of academics and financial aid may have been a contributing factor. It's too early to tell with Cournoyer
Correct

stereax

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Quote from: BearLover on April 14, 2026, 04:14:51 PMCournoyer entering portal. Competing for national titles was fun while it lasted.
siiigh. this too shall pass... but HOLY FUCK is it annoying.

how much money is being thrown at him?
Not trying to relitigate this but highly doubt it's about money
He's the starter at a good hockey team that makes the NCAAs on the regular. Why would you transfer out if it wasn't scholarship/other money?

Before I read 4 more pages on this... I called it. Oh well. Who's next?

No like - when I saw it I was like "well, of course he got NIL baited to transfer, there's no other reason to leave Cornell, a program that develops good goalies and is always competitive" and literally nothing I have heard since disconceives me of that notion.

And everyone is overlooking the possibility that THIS was the NIL pit-stop for Courns. Some Dough Ray Me for one season with a VERY talented returning core... IDK but it's adieu Mon Amie! I've also said, as have you Stereax, that it might be the school. If he's been in Juniors in Quebec the last 3 years, he hasn't done a lot of homework, outside of RVH training. CHL guys aren't super into books, math or much other than hockey.

edit addition: It could also be his agent or the Canadians. Maybe they want him somewhere else, for any number of reasons. Like, money.
If we end up being the NIL pitstop for the B10 I swear to god I don't know if I can do it.

But it does make sense, if you're Cournoyer. You just had a meteoric rise in stock when you jumped from the AAA to the AA to the Q in a span of like, a year. Certainly there were teams that wanted you, but you picked here because [insert reason here: Casey Speaks French/Reputation For Goalies/Etc]. Cournoyer's entire little "storyline" around himself is, he sees a better opportunity, he grabs it with both hands. Get called up to the Q, you bet your ass he's gonna take that opportunity. College hockey? Deal, Ivy ROTY and First Team All-ECAC. If he sees what he thinks is a better opportunity, he's taking it.

Problem is, what constitutes a better opportunity than Cornell to develop a goalie?

The only arguments I can make are playing time and money. And it isn't playing time, because he would have been our starter next year. QED, it's money.

(Academics also makes sense as a contributing factor, but I doubt he'd transfer solely because classes hard. I'm sure they'd put that kid in wine tasting and napkin rolling and call it a day.)
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The Rancor

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Quote from: BearLover on April 14, 2026, 04:14:51 PMCournoyer entering portal. Competing for national titles was fun while it lasted.
siiigh. this too shall pass... but HOLY FUCK is it annoying.

how much money is being thrown at him?
Not trying to relitigate this but highly doubt it's about money
He's the starter at a good hockey team that makes the NCAAs on the regular. Why would you transfer out if it wasn't scholarship/other money?

Before I read 4 more pages on this... I called it. Oh well. Who's next?

No like - when I saw it I was like "well, of course he got NIL baited to transfer, there's no other reason to leave Cornell, a program that develops good goalies and is always competitive" and literally nothing I have heard since disconceives me of that notion.

And everyone is overlooking the possibility that THIS was the NIL pit-stop for Courns. Some Dough Ray Me for one season with a VERY talented returning core... IDK but it's adieu Mon Amie! I've also said, as have you Stereax, that it might be the school. If he's been in Juniors in Quebec the last 3 years, he hasn't done a lot of homework, outside of RVH training. CHL guys aren't super into books, math or much other than hockey.

edit addition: It could also be his agent or the Canadians. Maybe they want him somewhere else, for any number of reasons. Like, money.
If we end up being the NIL pitstop for the B10 I swear to god I don't know if I can do it.

But it does make sense, if you're Cournoyer. You just had a meteoric rise in stock when you jumped from the AAA to the AA to the Q in a span of like, a year. Certainly there were teams that wanted you, but you picked here because [insert reason here: Casey Speaks French/Reputation For Goalies/Etc]. Cournoyer's entire little "storyline" around himself is, he sees a better opportunity, he grabs it with both hands. Get called up to the Q, you bet your ass he's gonna take that opportunity. College hockey? Deal, Ivy ROTY and First Team All-ECAC. If he sees what he thinks is a better opportunity, he's taking it.

Problem is, what constitutes a better opportunity than Cornell to develop a goalie?

The only arguments I can make are playing time and money. And it isn't playing time, because he would have been our starter next year. QED, it's money.

(Academics also makes sense as a contributing factor, but I doubt he'd transfer solely because classes hard. I'm sure they'd put that kid in wine tasting and napkin rolling and call it a day.)

You get it.

BearLover

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siiigh. this too shall pass... but HOLY FUCK is it annoying.

how much money is being thrown at him?
Not trying to relitigate this but highly doubt it's about money
He's the starter at a good hockey team that makes the NCAAs on the regular. Why would you transfer out if it wasn't scholarship/other money?

Before I read 4 more pages on this... I called it. Oh well. Who's next?

No like - when I saw it I was like "well, of course he got NIL baited to transfer, there's no other reason to leave Cornell, a program that develops good goalies and is always competitive" and literally nothing I have heard since disconceives me of that notion.

And everyone is overlooking the possibility that THIS was the NIL pit-stop for Courns. Some Dough Ray Me for one season with a VERY talented returning core... IDK but it's adieu Mon Amie! I've also said, as have you Stereax, that it might be the school. If he's been in Juniors in Quebec the last 3 years, he hasn't done a lot of homework, outside of RVH training. CHL guys aren't super into books, math or much other than hockey.

edit addition: It could also be his agent or the Canadians. Maybe they want him somewhere else, for any number of reasons. Like, money.
(Academics also makes sense as a contributing factor, but I doubt he'd transfer solely because classes hard. I'm sure they'd put that kid in wine tasting and napkin rolling and call it a day.)
Unless he's on the verge of failing out. School probably hasn't been a priority for him for a long time, English isn't his first language, he just wants to play hockey.

If Cornell is a pit stop on the way to the Big 10 then I'd suggest people here figure out something else to do on their Friday and Saturday nights.

The Rancor

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Quote from: BearLover on April 14, 2026, 04:14:51 PMCournoyer entering portal. Competing for national titles was fun while it lasted.
siiigh. this too shall pass... but HOLY FUCK is it annoying.

how much money is being thrown at him?
Not trying to relitigate this but highly doubt it's about money
He's the starter at a good hockey team that makes the NCAAs on the regular. Why would you transfer out if it wasn't scholarship/other money?

Before I read 4 more pages on this... I called it. Oh well. Who's next?

No like - when I saw it I was like "well, of course he got NIL baited to transfer, there's no other reason to leave Cornell, a program that develops good goalies and is always competitive" and literally nothing I have heard since disconceives me of that notion.

And everyone is overlooking the possibility that THIS was the NIL pit-stop for Courns. Some Dough Ray Me for one season with a VERY talented returning core... IDK but it's adieu Mon Amie! I've also said, as have you Stereax, that it might be the school. If he's been in Juniors in Quebec the last 3 years, he hasn't done a lot of homework, outside of RVH training. CHL guys aren't super into books, math or much other than hockey.

edit addition: It could also be his agent or the Canadians. Maybe they want him somewhere else, for any number of reasons. Like, money.
(Academics also makes sense as a contributing factor, but I doubt he'd transfer solely because classes hard. I'm sure they'd put that kid in wine tasting and napkin rolling and call it a day.)
Unless he's on the verge of failing out. School probably hasn't been a priority for him for a long time, English isn't his first language, he just wants to play hockey.

If Cornell is a pit stop on the way to the Big 10 then I'd suggest people here figure out something else to do on their Friday and Saturday nights.

You don't get it.

BearLover

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Quote from: BearLover on April 14, 2026, 04:14:51 PMCournoyer entering portal. Competing for national titles was fun while it lasted.
siiigh. this too shall pass... but HOLY FUCK is it annoying.

how much money is being thrown at him?
Not trying to relitigate this but highly doubt it's about money
He's the starter at a good hockey team that makes the NCAAs on the regular. Why would you transfer out if it wasn't scholarship/other money?

Before I read 4 more pages on this... I called it. Oh well. Who's next?

No like - when I saw it I was like "well, of course he got NIL baited to transfer, there's no other reason to leave Cornell, a program that develops good goalies and is always competitive" and literally nothing I have heard since disconceives me of that notion.

And everyone is overlooking the possibility that THIS was the NIL pit-stop for Courns. Some Dough Ray Me for one season with a VERY talented returning core... IDK but it's adieu Mon Amie! I've also said, as have you Stereax, that it might be the school. If he's been in Juniors in Quebec the last 3 years, he hasn't done a lot of homework, outside of RVH training. CHL guys aren't super into books, math or much other than hockey.

edit addition: It could also be his agent or the Canadians. Maybe they want him somewhere else, for any number of reasons. Like, money.
(Academics also makes sense as a contributing factor, but I doubt he'd transfer solely because classes hard. I'm sure they'd put that kid in wine tasting and napkin rolling and call it a day.)
Unless he's on the verge of failing out. School probably hasn't been a priority for him for a long time, English isn't his first language, he just wants to play hockey.

If Cornell is a pit stop on the way to the Big 10 then I'd suggest people here figure out something else to do on their Friday and Saturday nights.

You don't get it.
I'm glad to hear that from you given how misinformed you've been in general and about me specifically

stereax

Quote from: BearLover on April 14, 2026, 10:29:15 PM
Quote from: stereax on April 14, 2026, 10:23:59 PM(Academics also makes sense as a contributing factor, but I doubt he'd transfer solely because classes hard. I'm sure they'd put that kid in wine tasting and napkin rolling and call it a day.)
Unless he's on the verge of failing out. School probably hasn't been a priority for him for a long time, English isn't his first language, he just wants to play hockey.

If Cornell is a pit stop on the way to the Big 10 then I'd suggest people here figure out something else to do on their Friday and Saturday nights.
Under that argument, expect Veilleux to enter the portal I guess. Also guys like Mosko and Psenicka.

And again - there are plenty of classes at Cornell, from my understanding, you could put someone who isn't "academically talented" just to get them through it for the sake of the hockey team.

Plus, for all we know, he's got straight As. Just because he isn't a first-language English speaker doesn't mean he's stupid, ya know. The argument that CHL-raised guys tend to be more blockheaded is somewhat compelling (and true), but it feels weird to speculate on a freshman's grades lol. (Plus, iirc, didn't Cournoyer want to do USports originally, before becoming Very Good and getting CHL/NCAA interest?)
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George64

Quote from: Trotsky on April 14, 2026, 07:19:14 PMYeah, but why Cornell then?  I'm sure he also had looks from the very western contenders he is rumored to be looking at now. 

I thought, perhaps naively, that if a player chose Cornell that indicated the education, or at least the designer label, factored in.  I am super disappointed of course, but more I am surprised, and I have been in enough weird situations that I am hard to surprise at this point.  This doesn't make sense to me unless it is purely mercenary and some program and/or alum dropped a shit ton of payola on him.  In which case, vaya con Dios.
From The Atlantic (04/04/26):

"In a paper first published in 2023 and updated last summer, [Brown University economist John] Friedman, along with [Harvard economist Raj] Chetty and the Harvard economist David Deming, quantified the advantage that students gain from attending an elite university. They found that students who attend an Ivy Plus university are 50 percent more likely to be in the top 1 percent of earnings by age 33, twice as likely to go to an elite graduate school, and three times as likely to work at a set of prestigious firms than if they attend a flagship public university. On average, their income is $101,000 higher a decade after graduation."

That's for a flagship public university, not Whatsamatter U.  We need to remind our recruits to think about the long run, not just short-term gains.

BearLover

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Quote from: BearLover on April 14, 2026, 10:29:15 PM
Quote from: stereax on April 14, 2026, 10:23:59 PM(Academics also makes sense as a contributing factor, but I doubt he'd transfer solely because classes hard. I'm sure they'd put that kid in wine tasting and napkin rolling and call it a day.)
Unless he's on the verge of failing out. School probably hasn't been a priority for him for a long time, English isn't his first language, he just wants to play hockey.

If Cornell is a pit stop on the way to the Big 10 then I'd suggest people here figure out something else to do on their Friday and Saturday nights.
Under that argument, expect Veilleux to enter the portal I guess. Also guys like Mosko and Psenicka.

And again - there are plenty of classes at Cornell, from my understanding, you could put someone who isn't "academically talented" just to get them through it for the sake of the hockey team.

Plus, for all we know, he's got straight As. Just because he isn't a first-language English speaker doesn't mean he's stupid, ya know. The argument that CHL-raised guys tend to be more blockheaded is somewhat compelling (and true), but it feels weird to speculate on a freshman's grades lol. (Plus, iirc, didn't Cournoyer want to do USports originally, before becoming Very Good and getting CHL/NCAA interest?)
It's not an argument - it's just me listing off potential reasons why school might be hard for him. Psenicka had great grades, Veilleux was committed to Harvard prior to Cornell and chose the USHL over the CHL to pursue a college education. Everyone is different, obviously. If Veilleux were to enter the portal, I'd be certain school was not the reason. For Cournoyer, I have a different feeling...which is, of course, speculative, just llike anything else we can say right now.

BearLover

Quote from: George64 on April 14, 2026, 10:47:02 PM
Quote from: Trotsky on April 14, 2026, 07:19:14 PMYeah, but why Cornell then?  I'm sure he also had looks from the very western contenders he is rumored to be looking at now. 

I thought, perhaps naively, that if a player chose Cornell that indicated the education, or at least the designer label, factored in.  I am super disappointed of course, but more I am surprised, and I have been in enough weird situations that I am hard to surprise at this point.  This doesn't make sense to me unless it is purely mercenary and some program and/or alum dropped a shit ton of payola on him.  In which case, vaya con Dios.
From The Atlantic (04/04/26):

"In a paper first published in 2023 and updated last summer, [Brown University economist John] Friedman, along with [Harvard economist Raj] Chetty and the Harvard economist David Deming, quantified the advantage that students gain from attending an elite university. They found that students who attend an Ivy Plus university are 50 percent more likely to be in the top 1 percent of earnings by age 33, twice as likely to go to an elite graduate school, and three times as likely to work at a set of prestigious firms than if they attend a flagship public university. On average, their income is $101,000 higher a decade after graduation."

That's for a flagship public university, not Whatsamatter U.  We need to remind our recruits to think about the long run, not just short-term gains.

I wish we had just gone with Keopple this year. Kid waited three years to start, and when he did play he had great numbers, better than Cournoyer's actually. Yes, he wasn't actually as good as Cournoyer, but I don't think the difference was big enough to justify rocking the boat. Casey went for the shiny object and got burned.

stereax

#1182
Quote from: BearLover on April 14, 2026, 11:08:00 PM
Quote from: George64 on April 14, 2026, 10:47:02 PM
Quote from: Trotsky on April 14, 2026, 07:19:14 PMYeah, but why Cornell then?  I'm sure he also had looks from the very western contenders he is rumored to be looking at now. 

I thought, perhaps naively, that if a player chose Cornell that indicated the education, or at least the designer label, factored in.  I am super disappointed of course, but more I am surprised, and I have been in enough weird situations that I am hard to surprise at this point.  This doesn't make sense to me unless it is purely mercenary and some program and/or alum dropped a shit ton of payola on him.  In which case, vaya con Dios.
From The Atlantic (04/04/26):

"In a paper first published in 2023 and updated last summer, [Brown University economist John] Friedman, along with [Harvard economist Raj] Chetty and the Harvard economist David Deming, quantified the advantage that students gain from attending an elite university. They found that students who attend an Ivy Plus university are 50 percent more likely to be in the top 1 percent of earnings by age 33, twice as likely to go to an elite graduate school, and three times as likely to work at a set of prestigious firms than if they attend a flagship public university. On average, their income is $101,000 higher a decade after graduation."

That's for a flagship public university, not Whatsamatter U.  We need to remind our recruits to think about the long run, not just short-term gains.

I wish we had just gone with Keopple this year. Kid waited three years to start, and when he did play he had great numbers, better than Cournoyer's actually. Yes, he wasn't actually as good as Cournoyer, but I don't think the difference was big enough to justify rocking the boat. Casey went for the shiny object and got burned.
the fun thing is even if we went with keopple and never brought courns in we'd be in the exact same boat.

only difference is we'd be aware in october that we need a goalie next year.

also, it's obviously going to be surprising to us, but you'd have to assume that casey and company had some sort of idea where courns's head was throughout the year... if DONALDSON knew enough to be tweeting about it...
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Trotsky

Quote from: George64 on April 14, 2026, 10:47:02 PM
Quote from: Trotsky on April 14, 2026, 07:19:14 PMYeah, but why Cornell then?  I'm sure he also had looks from the very western contenders he is rumored to be looking at now. 

I thought, perhaps naively, that if a player chose Cornell that indicated the education, or at least the designer label, factored in.  I am super disappointed of course, but more I am surprised, and I have been in enough weird situations that I am hard to surprise at this point.  This doesn't make sense to me unless it is purely mercenary and some program and/or alum dropped a shit ton of payola on him.  In which case, vaya con Dios.
From The Atlantic (04/04/26):

"In a paper first published in 2023 and updated last summer, [Brown University economist John] Friedman, along with [Harvard economist Raj] Chetty and the Harvard economist David Deming, quantified the advantage that students gain from attending an elite university. They found that students who attend an Ivy Plus university are 50 percent more likely to be in the top 1 percent of earnings by age 33, twice as likely to go to an elite graduate school, and three times as likely to work at a set of prestigious firms than if they attend a flagship public university. On average, their income is $101,000 higher a decade after graduation."

That's for a flagship public university, not Whatsamatter U.  We need to remind our recruits to think about the long run, not just short-term gains.

I've been out of the statistics business for 25 years and I can think of at least 8 ways in which that study might be utter methodological bullshit.

But it's a cudgel we can use.  It doesn't matter if it's true.

BearLover

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Quote from: BearLover on April 14, 2026, 11:08:00 PM
Quote from: George64 on April 14, 2026, 10:47:02 PM
Quote from: Trotsky on April 14, 2026, 07:19:14 PMYeah, but why Cornell then?  I'm sure he also had looks from the very western contenders he is rumored to be looking at now. 

I thought, perhaps naively, that if a player chose Cornell that indicated the education, or at least the designer label, factored in.  I am super disappointed of course, but more I am surprised, and I have been in enough weird situations that I am hard to surprise at this point.  This doesn't make sense to me unless it is purely mercenary and some program and/or alum dropped a shit ton of payola on him.  In which case, vaya con Dios.
From The Atlantic (04/04/26):

"In a paper first published in 2023 and updated last summer, [Brown University economist John] Friedman, along with [Harvard economist Raj] Chetty and the Harvard economist David Deming, quantified the advantage that students gain from attending an elite university. They found that students who attend an Ivy Plus university are 50 percent more likely to be in the top 1 percent of earnings by age 33, twice as likely to go to an elite graduate school, and three times as likely to work at a set of prestigious firms than if they attend a flagship public university. On average, their income is $101,000 higher a decade after graduation."

That's for a flagship public university, not Whatsamatter U.  We need to remind our recruits to think about the long run, not just short-term gains.

I wish we had just gone with Keopple this year. Kid waited three years to start, and when he did play he had great numbers, better than Cournoyer's actually. Yes, he wasn't actually as good as Cournoyer, but I don't think the difference was big enough to justify rocking the boat. Casey went for the shiny object and got burned.
the fun thing is even if we went with keopple and never brought courns in we'd be in the exact same boat.

only difference is we'd be aware in october that we need a goalie next year.

also, it's obviously going to be surprising to us, but you'd have to assume that casey and company had some sort of idea where courns's head was throughout the year... if DONALDSON knew enough to be tweeting about it...
It isn't clear what Donaldson was tweeting about. He may have just been trolling about Wallace going to St. Thomas.

Cournoyer surely told his teammates and coaches ahead of time but I doubt anyone knew until the season was over.

In a way, this is freeing. If losing our best players is going to be the norm then we can freely stop paying attention to this team and so much time opens up for our other pursuits.