We're gonna be in the news again

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Fair enough. I mean, I obviously hope Harvard wins. But I really don't think Cornell could afford to do what Harvard is doing. I also don't think the president and board of Cornell, who are tasked with protecting the university and its students and employees, should be sacrificing these things for a higher purpose, especially when doing so is likely to fail and jeopardize its constituents further. Lastly, I think Harvard absolutely would have settled for $30m if it was offered at any point. So I don't think the extreme criticism of Cornell's leadership is warranted.

i think this is probably true but the money (imo) is far less important than letting yourself be subject to wokeness audits, something clearly targeted at shaping the student body and permissible discourse. without independence* on those issues, cornell is nothing but a hockey team.

i mean, that's a pretty good reason to found an institution but it isn't the one cornell makes a big deal about.

*please no nitpicking on whether antidiscrimination law writ large is an imposition here. i already probably don't respect you if you've got that one in the chamber ready to fire

Fair enough. I mean, I obviously hope Harvard wins. But I really don't think Cornell could afford to do what Harvard is doing. I also don't think the president and board of Cornell, who are tasked with protecting the university and its students and employees, should be sacrificing these things for a higher purpose, especially when doing so is likely to fail and jeopardize its constituents further. Lastly, I think Harvard absolutely would have settled for $30m if it was offered at any point. So I don't think the extreme criticism of Cornell's leadership is warranted.

i think this is probably true but the money (imo) is far less important than letting yourself be subject to wokeness audits, something clearly targeted at shaping the student body and permissible discourse. without independence* on those issues, cornell is nothing but a hockey team.

i mean, that's a pretty good reason to found an institution but it isn't the one cornell makes a big deal about.

*please no nitpicking on whether antidiscrimination law writ large is an imposition here. i already probably don't respect you if you've got that one in the chamber ready to fire

Maybe I don't understand the meaning of "wokeness."  To me this implies a leftist bent to make sure underrepresented get a better than even chance.  I am sure that this administration wants to do audits to make sure that this does NOT happen.

you seem to think I'm suggesting they are trying to enforce a progressive agenda but I mean that they will be perpetually using the audits to find more things to label woke in order to extract more tribute or deal out more pain.

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Fair enough. I mean, I obviously hope Harvard wins. But I really don't think Cornell could afford to do what Harvard is doing. I also don't think the president and board of Cornell, who are tasked with protecting the university and its students and employees, should be sacrificing these things for a higher purpose, especially when doing so is likely to fail and jeopardize its constituents further. Lastly, I think Harvard absolutely would have settled for $30m if it was offered at any point. So I don't think the extreme criticism of Cornell's leadership is warranted.

i think this is probably true but the money (imo) is far less important than letting yourself be subject to wokeness audits, something clearly targeted at shaping the student body and permissible discourse. without independence* on those issues, cornell is nothing but a hockey team.

i mean, that's a pretty good reason to found an institution but it isn't the one cornell makes a big deal about.

*please no nitpicking on whether antidiscrimination law writ large is an imposition here. i already probably don't respect you if you've got that one in the chamber ready to fire

Fair enough. I mean, I obviously hope Harvard wins. But I really don't think Cornell could afford to do what Harvard is doing. I also don't think the president and board of Cornell, who are tasked with protecting the university and its students and employees, should be sacrificing these things for a higher purpose, especially when doing so is likely to fail and jeopardize its constituents further. Lastly, I think Harvard absolutely would have settled for $30m if it was offered at any point. So I don't think the extreme criticism of Cornell's leadership is warranted.

i think this is probably true but the money (imo) is far less important than letting yourself be subject to wokeness audits, something clearly targeted at shaping the student body and permissible discourse. without independence* on those issues, cornell is nothing but a hockey team.

i mean, that's a pretty good reason to found an institution but it isn't the one cornell makes a big deal about.

*please no nitpicking on whether antidiscrimination law writ large is an imposition here. i already probably don't respect you if you've got that one in the chamber ready to fire

Maybe I don't understand the meaning of "wokeness."  To me this implies a leftist bent to make sure underrepresented get a better than even chance.  I am sure that this administration wants to do audits to make sure that this does NOT happen.

you seem to think I'm suggesting they are trying to enforce a progressive agenda but I mean that they will be perpetually using the audits to find more things to label woke in order to extract more tribute or deal out more pain.

Sorry, I completely misunderstood your phrase "wokeness audits" as making sure it was woke enough, when you meant auditing to make sure there was no woke component.  My mistake.