Odds of winning 2024 NCAAs

Started by billhoward, December 18, 2023, 05:31:52 PM

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BearLover

Our PWR position is so tenuous. We are 16th, not particularly close to 15th, and most of the teams in the top 15 are perennial powers like BU, BC, Providence, Minnesota, UMich, Wisconsin, Quinnipiac, NoDak, Denver. Our schedule is so soft the rest of the way because the ECAC has done so poorly thus far. And perhaps scariest of all is that we still have at least 3 games vs Clarkson and Harvard whom I think (especially in the case of Harvard) are considerably better than their ranking suggests. Winning tomorrow night will go a very long way...

BearLover

Oh, and forgot to mention: our opponent we want to win most (because we've played them three times) is ASU, whom I think is *worse* than their ranking suggests and is currently locked in a tight battle vs Augustana...

ugarte

Quote from: BearLoverOh, and forgot to mention: our opponent we want to win most (because we've played them three times) is ASU, whom I think is *worse* than their ranking suggests and is currently locked in a tight battle vs Augustana...
they blew it! gave up the GWG in the final minute after tying the game at 4.

Trotsky

Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: BearLoverOh, and forgot to mention: our opponent we want to win most (because we've played them three times) is ASU, whom I think is *worse* than their ranking suggests and is currently locked in a tight battle vs Augustana...
they blew it! gave up the GWG in the final minute after tying the game at 4.
Hard to win when you're playing supes. Assist on the game winner went to Tony Stark.

adamw

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Quote from: TrotskyIt is the right thing to do.  The temptation will be to make the games best-of-three.  TBH, I'd back that as well.  Anything to stop the factory schools with big rinks from buying their way to the F4, the way it is now.

This makes no sense, Mr. I Hate Sports Journalists.

The factory schools with big rinks are all the ones clamoring to go back to campus - precisely because they DON'T have an advantage currently. The reason the ECAC schools of the world want neutral site Regionals, is to avoid the double whammy of not getting home games vs. big schools in the regular season, and then having to go to their arenas for NCAA games.

It makes perfect sense.

It's only an advantage if they finish top 8.  If they don't, devil take the hindmost.

If North Dakota earns a home seed then I am fine with that.  What I am not fine with is them or Michigan or Minnesota getting a defacto home game as a 13 because they ponied up the cash to host locally.  That's bribery, er, lobbying, er "development" ahem.

I am surprised ND wants this, but I assume they just want the larger gate.  Sometimes the asshole is right.

It's a free country, you're allowed to be aggressively wrong.

Your comment about teams buying hosting and getting unfair "home games" - literally only applies to one team - North Dakota. No one else does it. And North Dakota fans would literally go anywhere to see their team play, so it doesn't matter. If Cornell hosted North Dakota in an NCAA game, there would probably be more North Dakota fans in the building - given that it's spring break and given the smaller crowds you always see at home arenas for playoff games. North Dakota played BC at MSG one year, and the building was packed with North Dakota fans. When they host Regionals, it's at places hours away from Grand Forks. Doesn't matter. And this "problem" of North Dakota hosting could be solved in other ways.

They stopped allowing Michigan to host at Yost 20 years ago, for this reason. Michigan hasn't hosted a Regional since and never has the kind of advantage you're referring to.

Again - there's a reason all the B10/NCHC schools want on-campus Regionals ... and all the ECAC/Atlantic/etc... coaches do not.
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Trotsky

Quote from: adamwThey stopped allowing Michigan to host at Yost 20 years ago, for this reason. Michigan hasn't hosted a Regional since.
Not relevant.  Hosting the regional 3 hours from your building is buying a home game.  It does not have to be on campus.

I don't know why your back is up on an opinion like this.  The fuck cares?   The NC$$ will do whatever generates the most revenue; fairness will have zero impact.  I prefer one way and have defended it.  You prefer the other.  Making it personal is... odd.

Al DeFlorio

Al DeFlorio '65

Jeff Hopkins '82

Quote from: Al DeFlorioSomehow sneaked into 15th in pairwise today: https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/pairwise/

At this point we need to be at least in 14th.

Trotsky

Latest Playoff Status.com Cornell probabilities:
.97 ECAC QF
.82 ECAC SF
.51 ECAC F
.27 ECAC Champions

.52 NCAA Bid
.22 NCAA QF
.10 NCAA SF
.04 NCAA F
.02 NCAA Champions

upprdeck

UNH losing today helped us.

Mich plays Wisc this weekend.. a sweep would help us there

adamw

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Quote from: adamwThey stopped allowing Michigan to host at Yost 20 years ago, for this reason. Michigan hasn't hosted a Regional since.
Not relevant.  Hosting the regional 3 hours from your building is buying a home game.  It does not have to be on campus.

I don't know why your back is up on an opinion like this.  The fuck cares?   The NC$$ will do whatever generates the most revenue; fairness will have zero impact.  I prefer one way and have defended it.  You prefer the other.  Making it personal is... odd.

Where did I make it personal? You said all sportswriters were effectively terrible, so I made a joke about it - that was pretty much the extent of it. Otherwise, I pointed out all the ways your perceptions were ... incorrect. If those perceptions are driving your opinion, you should at least be accurate. The fact that the NCAA/Hockey Committee hasn't made this switch, should tell you that they don't only care about money. Unless one's only goal is to throw clever verbal bombs without regard for accuracy.

At least 75% of current head coaches want neutral sites - and the No. 1 advocate for that is Cornell's.

And here's my article on the topic.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2024/01/21_Commentary-Keep-Neutral-.php
College Hockey News: http://www.collegehockeynews.com

marty

With 6 goals since 11:00 in the second it's now 5-4 St. Cloud over Nebraska Omaha setting up what could be an exciting 3rd period.

(St. Cloud is 13 in the pairwise.)
"When we came off, [Bitz] said, 'Thank God you scored that goal,'" Moulson said. "He would've killed me if I didn't."

Scersk '97

Quote from: adamwUnless one's only goal is to throw clever verbal bombs without regard for accuracy.

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

marty

Quote from: martyWith 6 goals since 11:00 in the second it's now 5-4 St. Cloud over Nebraska Omaha setting up what could be an exciting 3rd period.

(St. Cloud is 13 in the pairwise.)

Now 6-6 with 9 minutes left in regulation.

Omaha wins in OT on a PPG.
"When we came off, [Bitz] said, 'Thank God you scored that goal,'" Moulson said. "He would've killed me if I didn't."

Trotsky

Quote from: adamwYou said all sportswriters were effectively terrible

At least they're effective.

I apologize for smearing sportswriters.  As a baby, I had my candy lifted by Grantland Rice.