Daily Sun Article 11/11

[marty]

Bill '94 wrote:

Thanks for posting the policy.  To me it is pretty vague.  I suppose we can almost all agree on what is profanity although I really dislike the "I know it when I see it approach."  Linder should have had the sense to know asshole was going to be a problem.  As for "abusive or threatening language" it seems like it almost the whim of the usher.  Catch him on a bad night. . . .

And as for Adam's comment "we have all seen the ushers stalking down the aisles" I'm glad I graduated when I did.

Maybe so, but then again maybe not.

If you ever bring your wife and children to Lynah you will be glad that every other word isn't fuck and suck.  I have been a regular with my family since '96 and I was very happy to see the change in policy when it occurred.  It may interest you to know that Lynah and Cornell are not alone in the quest for a less vulgar athletic arena.

[Beeeej]

The phrase "a revocable license which may be withdrawn at any time for any reason" seems vague to you?

Beeeej

[Beeeej]

Rich H '96 wrote:
Anyway, the history as I know it: The band was relatively late in adding that song to its playlist, in relation to other hockey teams (pro and college)...probably around '95.  The crowd quickly found that "Sieve!" worked quite nicely instead of "hey!"  The first time I realized someone was trying to start a chant in the space between verses was in the playoffs in '96.

Adding that song was deliberately coordinated between the Pep Band and Athletics as far back as '92, actually - for basketball.  I'm nearly positive it was in hockey games by '93 - it just didn't catch on as a crowd-participation thing until later.

Probably 'cause there wasn't much of a crowd in '93.::rolleyes::

Beeeej

[nyc94]

Probably true.  Doesn't mean I have to like the manner in which they are creating the environment.

Keith, I didn't mean to imply that this is a true violation of the First Amendment in the case of the profanity.  It's the lack of definition of just what is offensive that I find troublesome.  That it comes from an institution of higher learning is equally troublesome.

Did they start with the ejection policy immediately after Schafer arrived or did they give the Faithful time to get their act together?

[marty]

Bill '94 wrote:

Did they start with the ejection policy immediately after Schafer arrived or did they give the Faithful time to get their act together?

I think it was Coach's third or fourth year but there may be a better way to determine this than by relying on the 135 MB hard drive in my head.  I no longer have the power supply to keep that baby humming.

I believe that it was instituted at least partially because of the Coach's children (this is strictly conjecture).  And that is of course the reason that I like the policy so much.

[atb9]

Enforcement is definitely arbitrary and subjective...which is why the real Lynah Faithful (not those that are self proclaimed like Linder) either don't swear during the cheers or they keep a watchful eye on the aisles.

I remember Coach bringing his kids on to the ice and quarter cards being placed on each seat when the profanity rule was adopted.  Didn't Michigan get fined a heavy sum a few years back for profanity during an NCAA regional?  I think the kids were just used as a symbol for why the rule should be in place but if my 146MB hard drive  ;-)  is still of any use, the threat of fines was the real cause for concern.

[Anna \'03]

As someone who defended the right to curse in Lynah in The Sun only to receive a nasty email from a member of the team, I can only assume that Schafer was behind the whole movement so that his kids didn't have to hear vulgarities. The member said something to the effect:  "I hope Coach Schafer goes to your house and curses at your children" among other jems.

[Section A]

Wait someone on our hockey team emailed you and said that??? Does that seem odd to anyone else?

[Josh '99]

(This isn't to pass any judgment on the email Anna received.)

I'll definitely back up the notion that Coach Schafer's kids are one reason for the crackdown on profanity.

But even if that weren't his reason, while I can't speak for anyone else, the fact that that's what Schafer has requested is reason enough for me to refrain.  He's largely responsible for the fact that we've all had such a wonderful program to cheer for over the past few years, Lynah IS his "house", and so as far as I'm concerned, what he says goes.

[nyc94]

What is a quarter card?

I like Schafer as much as the next person but I disagree that it is "his house".  It is "our house" - coaches, players, and Faithful.  We make it possible by paying tuition, making gifts, and buying season tickets.  Lynah wouldn't be Lynah without the players or the Faithful.  When a coach gets whatever he wants the next step is almost always NCAA sanctions.

[Ben Rocky \'04]

Firstly, its a damn stupid policy.  Any publicity, no matter how dumb the daily sun is or how Nick is acting like a big complainer, it is good as it brings attention to the fact that the rule is PC crap.  I've paid to come into an establishment and it seems very unfair to kick me out when 1000s of people are using the same language as me.  It also seems highly unfair to revoke the tickets I paid for just because I used offenseive language (yes, yes, i agreed to these rules, that does not mean I have to like them).  Its not like a threw glass onto the ice, caused damage, hurt other fans or showed up drunk.  I used non-racist, non homophobic and non-biggoted words ! *gasp*

I've been going to games since the 80s and I didn't know they were actually kicking people out till the York game last season.  It seemed till then that this was a 'right' that Athletics reserved but seldom used.  

I am not claiming that it is a freedom of speech violation.  Cornell clearly is a private institution and they own Lynah, not me.  But what individuals say is not the university's business elsewhere on campus, so why in Lynah?

If being Lynah faithful is not about saying cruel, mean and evil things to members of the opposing team, then I beg someone to define it for me.

Al DeFlorio: get over yourself.  swearing is harmless, its not gonna give you cancer.

[Ben Rocky \'04]

How the FUCK does harsh language harm children or women???
i really dont get this!

[Ben Rocky \'04]

The fact that Schafer has asked us to stop is the first sensible argument against the swearing that i've read here.  Getting kicked out for it, a little lame.  If the faithful as a whole were more mature, they would listen to the Coach and do what he requests.  Forcing it down our throats with PC-patrol-ushers really makes it hard to deal with.
Yea, some of the swearing and profanity is stupid, and overused: the 'you suck' after 'sieve' in gary is really lame.  on the other hand  robo-goalie is a tradition.
after an opposing team scores a goal, it should be "lets go red, lets go red," not "you still suck, you still suck"
but
"fuck em up, fuck em up, go CU" has been around since the mid-90s and so has "cya ass hole, you GOON".
Fans at other rinks can scream "you suck" all they want.  Lynah is a place for cheers like "we want weeder".  Creativity should be our first goal, not burning the ears of prudes, yet at the same time we need to realize that the occasional "ass hole" does not damage of the very fabric of space/time, no matter what you whiners say.

[Will]

Ben Rocky '04 wrote:

How the FUCK does harsh language harm children or women???
i really dont get this!

Because society hasn't yet adapted into a harmless language society.  I agree, language probably doesn't do that much harm in reality.  But until society at large accepts what is now considered vulgar language 100% into the realm of acceptable language, large scale vulgarity will remain frowned upon.

I'm not sure, but I would guess that language will always have slang and vulgarity.  "Fuck" may become acceptable in 50 or 100 years, but another word (that may not even exist yet) will likely take its place in the category of vulgar language.

In any case, it's quite clear that Cornell can do whatever the heck they want with hockey attendees, to their own credit or harm.  The fact of the matter is, Linder broke the well-displayed and well-known rules and Athletics was well within their rights to do what they did.

[Josh '99]

Ben Rocky '04 wrote:
The fact that Schafer has asked us to stop is the first sensible argument against the swearing that i've read here.  Getting kicked out for it, a little lame.  If the faithful as a whole were more mature, they would listen to the Coach and do what he requests.  Forcing it down our throats with PC-patrol-ushers really makes it hard to deal with.

So, it's OK to have a no-swearing policy if Schafer has requested it, but it's not OK to enforce it?

on the other hand  robo-goalie is a tradition.

Robo-goalie is a tradition.  Just yelling "BEND OVER!  BEND OVER!" is lazy and stupid.