Daily Sun Article 11/11

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http://www.cornelldailysun.com/articles/9968/

[q]"I was mad, I was pissed off, because I'm a fan, I'm trying to be a good fan, and they're inhibiting my ability to have pride in Cornell and pride in my team," Linder said.[/q]
Apparently, if you can't say 'a**hole', you can't possibly have pride in Cornell or the hockey team. ::screwy::

And this isn't a know-nothing freshman, it is the president of the SA, a junior.

[Robb \'94]

What's up with "you lose?"  First I've heard of that bastardization...   ::yark::   Now I remember why I never took the SA seriously - thanks for the trip down memory lane, Linder...  ::rolleyes::

[Pete]

He just sounds like a whiny moron in the article. Sometims you have to learn when to shut your mouth instead of advertising to the entire school that you're an idiot.

[Ben Rocky \'04]

Pete-
He is actually a nice guy and a friend of mine, so shut up.  Everyone gets cheers wrong, even long time faithful.
This is the first time the sun has really talked about the censorship and unfair ejections that athletics has forced upon us.  Does an alumni out there want to write a letter and continue to call out athletics on this?  They usually print alumni letters......


-ben rocky '04

[Al DeFlorio]

Ben Rocky '04 wrote:

Does an alumni out there want to write a letter and continue to call out athletics on this?
-ben rocky '04

This alum is 100% behind Athletics--and Coach Schafer--on this issue.  As has been stated above, your friend's a "whiny moron," Ben.



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[Beeeej]

You're supposed to be getting an Ivy League education, Ben.  You have exactly six months left to learn that "alumni" is plural for "alumnus."

Beeeej

P.S. ("Knoepflus"?)

[ugarte]

Jeffrey "Beeeej" Anbinder '94 wrote:

P.S. ("Knoepflus"?)

Knoepfli.  He has the strength of ten men.

[Michael Hanson \'01]

Ben,

This alum (and former SA member) who was kicked out once for the correctly worded (but still illegal) version of the cheer is behind Athletics as well.  Being the head of a student group and spending a few hours in Ramin Room does not give you license to violate NCAA rules.  Take your lumps, stop whining, stop co-opting the press, show up next game, and keep it clean (especially in front of the ushers).   ::screwy::

But then, if you want a letter, I might be persuaded to oblidge.  :-P

Michael

[ugarte]

[q]Linder's main complaint was the lack of publicity about the rules. "You got to respect the Lynah Faithful," he said. "Basically, nobody knows the policy... and nobody knows you can lose your season's tickets."[/q]

I couldn't tell if this was your friend's first or second strike, Ben Rocky.  It doesn't matter, though.  Based on his actions (at the rink and after), your friend is a moron.  And if you read the article, it is clear that he is also whiny.  If he didn't want to be publicly criticized, he shouldn't have gone public with his ill-founded complaints.

There is no way that your friend can claim that he was unaware that saying "asshole" would get him tossed from Lynah. He is a junior! Unless he didn't go to the games as a frosh or soph (facetimer?).  I haven't been on campus for a game in five years, and I knew that using offensive language was a ticket-revoking offense.

[Drew]

I too find it to be highly bizarre that someone who has been going to games for three years would not have any idea of the fact that they have been trying to get rid of the profanity for at least the last four years.  Sounds to me like someone who knew the rules, chose to ignore them, got caught and is now being a baby about it.  Glad to see these are the kind of people that represent the student body (of course, they don't do anything for vet students anyway, so why should I care?::rolleyes:: )

[Keith K \'93]

No one can reasonably say that they didn't know about the language police.  it's been going on since Schafer's first year as head coach - that's nine seasons now.  The only way to not know would be to not be paying any attention in which case he got what he deserved.

But what's up with Hayes saying "'See you, a**hole' always used to be 'See you . . . you goon!' with a pause."  The "you goon" was a deliberate attempt to stifle the constant use of a**hole.  (Robb, wasn't it you or Canadace that started goon?)  Yeah John, you got the spirit right, but the details man, the details! :-)  (Of course, the reporter may well have misquoted you...)

Oh, it should be written "See ya" anyway...

[nyc94]

I am all for the cleaner language after bringing my parents to the RPI game in 1991-1992 and suffering through a two hour profanity filled display from one drunk guy in section G.  But I think kicking people out and/or taking away their season tickets borders on fascism.  Whatever happened to freedom of speech?  I think the language rules should be enforced by the Faithful through shaming the violators.

[rhovorka]

"you lose" most likely started last season.  A friend of mine who sat in G told me that he heard people saying that, and we laughed about it often.  Probably newbies/freshmen in F-G not really being able to hear clearly what was being said and heard "you goon" as "you lose."

2 minor corrections on quotes in that story.  The first by John Hayes: [q]"'See you, asshole' always used to be 'See you . . . you goon!' with a pause," Hayes said. He added that the expletive was originally reserved for especially nefarious opponents.[/q]
True, but the "goon" part was originally added after the asshole had been cemented in.  My first season was in '92-'93, shortly after that cheer came in from Michigan in that '91 series (the only cheer we lifted from them...they had imported it from Duke basketball).  Originally it was "ahhhhhhh...See ya!" with no tags, and a powerful echo-effect.  If an opponent particularly pissed off the fans, the sing-song "ass-hole!  ass-hole!" cheer would escort him to the box and the "see ya" would be punctuated with "asshole."  This happened maybe 2-3 times per season. By about '94, the student sections started adding "asshole" to every penalty, followed shortly by a small group behind the penalty boxes finishing with a "you goon!" that grew in popularity.  Some people tried to eliminate the profanity  (per coach Schafer's request) by going straight to "you goon" in the fall of '96, but that was like trying to put out a SoCal brush fire with a squirt gun.  The result was just jumbled mumbled shouting.

Michigan's version also started adding a new tag every year, that included several profanities and a certain Colgate player's name.  And now, there's a crackdown there.  http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?f=1&i=26345&t=26345

And, judging from the game at Yale this past Friday night, the Yale band/students now do "ahhhhhhhhh....See ya!!......Bitch!"

2nd: [q]Nighman also pointed out that "the song, which is a song that is played at basically every other university in the country, is supposed to be 'Rough 'em up, rough 'em up,' but we've manipulated that into something more vulgar." [/q]
That's just wrong.  The "Rock-n-Roll Part 2" words were originally introduced to CU as the "vulgar" version, and almost no other universities have that "we're gonna beat..." crowd bit.  I think BU just chants "sieve" during that part.  Anyway, the history as I know it: The band was relatively late in adding that song to its playlist, in relation to other hockey teams (pro and college)...probably around '95.  The crowd quickly found that "Sieve!" worked quite nicely instead of "hey!"  The first time I realized someone was trying to start a chant in the space between verses was in the playoffs in '96.  We couldn't make out what they were saying.  But in Lake Placid that year, there was a row of shirtless ("GO CORNELL" chest painters) fans in the upper deck across the ice from the band obviously chanting something.  A friend ran up to get the exact wording (it was "f*** 'em up"), and by the first few games of the '96-'97 season, it had taken root in the student section.  Bandies, not generally allowed to swear, realized that "Rough 'em up" was a clean alternative and did that on the road.  The "you suck" thing after "Sieve" is new in the last 2-3 seasons.

As far as the SA president not knowing about the consequences of swearing, huge signs are up at each entrance.  It's easy to forget they are there seeing them every week.

[RedAR]

Just to add to the history...

I believe that the acapella to Rock-n-Roll Part 2/Gary Glitter grew out of the profanity crackdown.  The AD forbade the band from playing it at the beginning of the 3rd because of the "f*** 'em up, f*** 'em up...  I thought it was the '97-'98 season, but somebody please refresh my memory.  In any case, the Faithful would have none of that, and all together, began to sing Gary Glitter.  Now, it has taken hold, so when the band stops playing once the puck is dropped, the crowd fills in until the next stoppage in play.

[French Rage]

I dont really care if people curse or not.  But if this guy had no clue that it would get him thrown out, he is a moron.  Thsi being his third year, he should have noticed people getting thrown out, the ushers policing the aisles and, oh yeah, the multitude of announcements at games, in the Sun, and during the ticket line.  This leads to one of two conclusion.s  Either he hasnt been to any of these, in which case why does he have season tickets...becuase he's SA president?  The either possibility is he's not too swift to have not noticed this by now, in which case do we really want him as SA president?  Either way, it's too bad that whenever somethign happens to inconvenience me that I cant abuse my position and get publicity for it.

And of course the biggest mistake: it's "you goon," not "you lose".

Overall, anyone can try and curse for all I care.  But they also take the risk of being thrown out.  It's part of the rules, so dont whine when you get caught.



Post Edited (11-11-03 15:00)