Money: Cornellians lost to (and gained from) the portal

[chimpfood]

That part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't care about the degree and is ready to jump ship to the pros ASAP, he'd rather be someplace that has the B1G's NIL budget, scholarship generosity and academic support (TAs who will take his exams). I don't know if Cornell's coaching/schedule came into it at all but it seems secondary. I honestly doubt that MTL cares very much which program he was at. 

That's true but it seems relevant which of those purported reasons was decisive. It's vague as to which of the following affected his decision and to what degree:
—he wanted more of a challenge (I suspect it's not this but that's basically the answer he gave to the Wisconsin journalist)
-money, whether scholarship or NIL (not mentioned in either of the articles but could of course be a reason)
-he didn't want to go to school (sort of alluded to by Casey but only if you squint)

I know people roll their eyes when I harp on this stuff but it's a lot different if a kid is dipping because he has to pay tuition versus because he thinks the ECAC is weak versus because he isn't a serious student. Yeah the answer could be "all of the above" but in terms of future recruiting it's good to know why a player like this would leave Cornell when so many other good players do not. The coaching staff got burned and it'd be nice to not have that happen again.

roll my eyes is one way to say it ... I mean, if you think the definition of journalism is forcing a run-of-the-mill college hockey player to confess, on the record, all of his deep thoughts about why he transferred, just to satisfy the burning curiosity of 10 people who absolutely need to know or it will kill them ... then ... good luck waiting on that.

You've been given way more to infer on this one case, either by my comments here or Jane's articles, than 99.9% of all the other 200 kids that transferred last week and pissed off the fans/coaches of the place they left.

She had Casey on the record. I was hopeful this would reveal more than we already knew, but it didn't. Not expecting her to grill Cournoyer, obviously. I think Jane is a promising journalist and the Sun's hockey coverage has been great, to be clear. But people wanted to know why he transferred and it's still extremely murky.

Do you honestly expect Casey to trash a kid on the record, or that it would be a good idea if he did?

I mean, this goes for every other coach too.

"Well, the kid is clueless, he lied to us in his meeting and then had his agent start calling around. Turns out he wasn't a good student and he decided he wanted the money more than a Cornell education."

What would be the benefit in a coach saying something like this? Assuming this is true.

I would have asked: "Did Cournoyer provide a reason for transferring?" and "when did he inform you of the transfer?", to start. You're gonna get coach-speak either way, but at least this way we'd get more specificity while not forcing Casey to disclose anything he doesn't want to. 

I think you get the exact same answer. Jane can't put Casey under oath.

We're very lucky with the amount of info Casey gives us already. Lots of coaches I've had experience with will either straight up lie, constantly give you boring "media trained" responses, or avoid talking to media altogether.

[Al DeFlorio]

That part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't care about the degree and is ready to jump ship to the pros ASAP, he'd rather be someplace that has the B1G's NIL budget, scholarship generosity and academic support (TAs who will take his exams). I don't know if Cornell's coaching/schedule came into it at all but it seems secondary. I honestly doubt that MTL cares very much which program he was at. 

That's true but it seems relevant which of those purported reasons was decisive. It's vague as to which of the following affected his decision and to what degree:
—he wanted more of a challenge (I suspect it's not this but that's basically the answer he gave to the Wisconsin journalist)
-money, whether scholarship or NIL (not mentioned in either of the articles but could of course be a reason)
-he didn't want to go to school (sort of alluded to by Casey but only if you squint)

I know people roll their eyes when I harp on this stuff but it's a lot different if a kid is dipping because he has to pay tuition versus because he thinks the ECAC is weak versus because he isn't a serious student. Yeah the answer could be "all of the above" but in terms of future recruiting it's good to know why a player like this would leave Cornell when so many other good players do not. The coaching staff got burned and it'd be nice to not have that happen again.

roll my eyes is one way to say it ... I mean, if you think the definition of journalism is forcing a run-of-the-mill college hockey player to confess, on the record, all of his deep thoughts about why he transferred, just to satisfy the burning curiosity of 10 people who absolutely need to know or it will kill them ... then ... good luck waiting on that.

You've been given way more to infer on this one case, either by my comments here or Jane's articles, than 99.9% of all the other 200 kids that transferred last week and pissed off the fans/coaches of the place they left.

She had Casey on the record. I was hopeful this would reveal more than we already knew, but it didn't. Not expecting her to grill Cournoyer, obviously. I think Jane is a promising journalist and the Sun's hockey coverage has been great, to be clear. But people wanted to know why he transferred and it's still extremely murky.

And it's none of your business.

[BearLover]

That part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't care about the degree and is ready to jump ship to the pros ASAP, he'd rather be someplace that has the B1G's NIL budget, scholarship generosity and academic support (TAs who will take his exams). I don't know if Cornell's coaching/schedule came into it at all but it seems secondary. I honestly doubt that MTL cares very much which program he was at. 

That's true but it seems relevant which of those purported reasons was decisive. It's vague as to which of the following affected his decision and to what degree:
—he wanted more of a challenge (I suspect it's not this but that's basically the answer he gave to the Wisconsin journalist)
-money, whether scholarship or NIL (not mentioned in either of the articles but could of course be a reason)
-he didn't want to go to school (sort of alluded to by Casey but only if you squint)

I know people roll their eyes when I harp on this stuff but it's a lot different if a kid is dipping because he has to pay tuition versus because he thinks the ECAC is weak versus because he isn't a serious student. Yeah the answer could be "all of the above" but in terms of future recruiting it's good to know why a player like this would leave Cornell when so many other good players do not. The coaching staff got burned and it'd be nice to not have that happen again.

roll my eyes is one way to say it ... I mean, if you think the definition of journalism is forcing a run-of-the-mill college hockey player to confess, on the record, all of his deep thoughts about why he transferred, just to satisfy the burning curiosity of 10 people who absolutely need to know or it will kill them ... then ... good luck waiting on that.

You've been given way more to infer on this one case, either by my comments here or Jane's articles, than 99.9% of all the other 200 kids that transferred last week and pissed off the fans/coaches of the place they left.

She had Casey on the record. I was hopeful this would reveal more than we already knew, but it didn't. Not expecting her to grill Cournoyer, obviously. I think Jane is a promising journalist and the Sun's hockey coverage has been great, to be clear. But people wanted to know why he transferred and it's still extremely murky.

And it's none of your business.

I'm sorry if it offends you that the media covers the comings and goings of college athletes but you should get used to it.

[Snowball]

Jane's article was updated:

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

"Coming to Cornell, we surely want people that understand the connections and the value of the education," Jones said. "We've just moved on. We wish him well, and we'll pivot."

....

"There's no shortage of people that want to play here," Jones said. "No shortage of people that want this opportunity right now with the roster we have."

[...]

"We've got a lot of good players here. Our roster is loaded next year," Jones said. "We feel good about that, and we'll have the right guys in the room that want to be here, and then just move on from there. We just move on. That's the landscape."

Wow, just wow. Blindsiding your coaching staff and then explaining it publicly as chasing a "better opportunity" leaves behind a pretty nasty digital footprint.

What stands out isn't the transfer, it's how it's now documented. These quotes don't disappear, they're searchable, and exactly the kind of thing that shows up when future employers start doing even basic due diligence. Outside the hockey bubble, that phrasing will get read less as ambition and more as a preview of how someone handles commitments when a new option appears.

[ER]

Sidenote - the ? ? ? -> emoji pisses me off

Well sorry, but I actually typed four "?"  and somehow that emoji auto inserted, so I don't even know what

? ? ? -> emoji

means. Please tell me.

When I chose it above it inserted 3 question marks - meaning I assume "what?"

More posters should consider using it - sorry stereax.

It's the wink emoji.

[ER]

Jane's article was updated:

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

"Coming to Cornell, we surely want people that understand the connections and the value of the education," Jones said. "We've just moved on. We wish him well, and we'll pivot."

Maybe he just didn't like it. Cornell can be a tough place to live/study. Maybe he didn't vibe with the team. Maybe, and I suspect, he couldn't cut it academically.
....

"There's no shortage of people that want to play here," Jones said. "No shortage of people that want this opportunity right now with the roster we have."

[...]

"We've got a lot of good players here. Our roster is loaded next year," Jones said. "We feel good about that, and we'll have the right guys in the room that want to be here, and then just move on from there. We just move on. That's the landscape."

Wow, just wow. Blindsiding your coaching staff and then explaining it publicly as chasing a "better opportunity" leaves behind a pretty nasty digital footprint.

What stands out isn't the transfer, it's how it's now documented. These quotes don't disappear, they're searchable, and exactly the kind of thing that shows up when future employers start doing even basic due diligence. Outside the hockey bubble, that phrasing will get read less as ambition and more as a preview of how someone handles commitments when a new option appears.

[fastforward]

Jane's article was updated:

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

"Coming to Cornell, we surely want people that understand the connections and the value of the education," Jones said. "We've just moved on. We wish him well, and we'll pivot."

....

"There's no shortage of people that want to play here," Jones said. "No shortage of people that want this opportunity right now with the roster we have."

[...]

"We've got a lot of good players here. Our roster is loaded next year," Jones said. "We feel good about that, and we'll have the right guys in the room that want to be here, and then just move on from there. We just move on. That's the landscape."

Wow, just wow. Blindsiding your coaching staff and then explaining it publicly as chasing a "better opportunity" leaves behind a pretty nasty digital footprint.

What stands out isn't the transfer, it's how it's now documented. These quotes don't disappear, they're searchable, and exactly the kind of thing that shows up when future employers start doing even basic due diligence. Outside the hockey bubble, that phrasing will get read less as ambition and more as a preview of how someone handles commitments when a new option appears.

I mentioned this a few days ago and got chastised for it

It's real and it does happen

[Al DeFlorio]

That part I got. But his reasoning for transferring is what I want to know, and that is still a mystery. Did he transfer because he though Wisconsin would give him a better opportunity to sign pro? Because he was struggling in school/didn't want to go to class anymore? "He only cares about hockey" seems clear, but why transfer? I can think of several reasons, but we don't have much clarity as to the ones that led to the decision, other than maybe a vague allusion to the "education" bit.

I think it's pretty clear that if he doesn't care about the degree and is ready to jump ship to the pros ASAP, he'd rather be someplace that has the B1G's NIL budget, scholarship generosity and academic support (TAs who will take his exams). I don't know if Cornell's coaching/schedule came into it at all but it seems secondary. I honestly doubt that MTL cares very much which program he was at. 

That's true but it seems relevant which of those purported reasons was decisive. It's vague as to which of the following affected his decision and to what degree:
—he wanted more of a challenge (I suspect it's not this but that's basically the answer he gave to the Wisconsin journalist)
-money, whether scholarship or NIL (not mentioned in either of the articles but could of course be a reason)
-he didn't want to go to school (sort of alluded to by Casey but only if you squint)

I know people roll their eyes when I harp on this stuff but it's a lot different if a kid is dipping because he has to pay tuition versus because he thinks the ECAC is weak versus because he isn't a serious student. Yeah the answer could be "all of the above" but in terms of future recruiting it's good to know why a player like this would leave Cornell when so many other good players do not. The coaching staff got burned and it'd be nice to not have that happen again.

roll my eyes is one way to say it ... I mean, if you think the definition of journalism is forcing a run-of-the-mill college hockey player to confess, on the record, all of his deep thoughts about why he transferred, just to satisfy the burning curiosity of 10 people who absolutely need to know or it will kill them ... then ... good luck waiting on that.

You've been given way more to infer on this one case, either by my comments here or Jane's articles, than 99.9% of all the other 200 kids that transferred last week and pissed off the fans/coaches of the place they left.

She had Casey on the record. I was hopeful this would reveal more than we already knew, but it didn't. Not expecting her to grill Cournoyer, obviously. I think Jane is a promising journalist and the Sun's hockey coverage has been great, to be clear. But people wanted to know why he transferred and it's still extremely murky.

And it's none of your business.

I'm sorry if it offends you that the media covers the comings and goings of college athletes but you should get used to it.

The media can cover it as it will but the fact that you can't get all the answers you want is just too damn bad.  Stop your whining.  Cournoyer is gone.  You, as always, have to have someone to blame.  Preferably, as always for you, a Cornell coach.

[Redscore]

Guy is a really good goaltender but a Rockhead and got bad advice.  Let's move on. Maybe he gets what he wants and is an NHL star out of Wisconsin, but the odds are against that.  And it sounds like Math was not his strong suit.

[andyw2100]

And it sounds like Math was not his strong suit.

Did you read his quotes? Apparently grammar is also not his strong suit.

To make it easy for anyone who missed them...

"I want my goalie partner to play good so I can play better than him," Cournoyer told BadgerExtra.com. "It's nothing personal. It's just my mentality as a person. I want me and [Hauser] to play good and get this team to the next level next year together."

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

And it sounds like Math was not his strong suit.

Did you read his quotes? Apparently grammar is also not his strong suit.

To make it easy for anyone who missed them...

"I want my goalie partner to play good so I can play better than him," Cournoyer told BadgerExtra.com. "It's nothing personal. It's just my mentality as a person. I want me and [Hauser] to play good and get this team to the next level next year together."

I'll cut him some slack on that.  English probably isn't his first language.

[Snowball]

Jane's article was updated:

According to head coach Casey Jones '90, the move initially "blindsided" him and his staff, who had not anticipated losing their starting goaltender. Upon speaking with Cournoyer in the wake of his entering the portal, it was evident that the program and the goaltender had different understandings of what the future held.

"Coming to Cornell, we surely want people that understand the connections and the value of the education," Jones said. "We've just moved on. We wish him well, and we'll pivot."

....

"There's no shortage of people that want to play here," Jones said. "No shortage of people that want this opportunity right now with the roster we have."

[...]

"We've got a lot of good players here. Our roster is loaded next year," Jones said. "We feel good about that, and we'll have the right guys in the room that want to be here, and then just move on from there. We just move on. That's the landscape."

Wow, just wow. Blindsiding your coaching staff and then explaining it publicly as chasing a "better opportunity" leaves behind a pretty nasty digital footprint.

What stands out isn't the transfer, it's how it's now documented. These quotes don't disappear, they're searchable, and exactly the kind of thing that shows up when future employers start doing even basic due diligence. Outside the hockey bubble, that phrasing will get read less as ambition and more as a preview of how someone handles commitments when a new option appears.

I mentioned this a few days ago and got chastised for it

It's real and it does happen

Sorry I missed your mention of that! It absolutely happens.

I agree with the above poster who said he got bad advice.

[ugarte]

I still think anyone who thinks a future employer will give the slightest shit about this is bonkers.

[Pghas]

Guy is a really good goaltender but a Rockhead and got bad advice.  Let's move on. Maybe he gets what he wants and is an NHL star out of Wisconsin, but the odds are against that.  And it sounds like Math was not his strong suit.

Totally agree he made the wrong call.  Hicks outplayed both him and Hauser in the tournament.  If Cornoyer wants to get to the next level, that level was readily available to him as Cornell's #1.  Wanna go to the nhl? Spend a year stealing games for Cornell and take them to a frozen four. 

Having had a son who played prep school hockey the last few years and played at all kinds of showcases as well, people do things all the time to try to get what they perceive as an edge.  And people make wrong decisions all the time. 

One thing I've learned is you go where you're wanted.  Cornoyer was the #1 here.  I respect that he expects himself to be the #1 at Wisconsin, but for all we know that coach is bringing him in to get more out of Hauser.  Believe me I know from firsthand experience these last 2 years when you have a coach who thinks you're da bomb you play for him as long as you can.

[Snowball]

I still think anyone who thinks a future employer will give the slightest shit about this is bonkers.

Nope—you're wrong. I've seen it firsthand. Employers absolutely do look, and it factors in. Call it old-school if you want, but it still carries weight. Every young person should assume a future employer will go through their social media.