Money: Cornellians lost to (and gained from) the portal

[arugula]

Pretty impressive lack of loyalty displayed by both Cournoyer as well as well as Wisconsin, which reached the national title game with a goalie with 3 years of eligibility remaining and then immediately kicked him to the curb for Cournoyer.

Maybe Hauser would like Ithaca

[stereax]

Pretty impressive lack of loyalty displayed by both Cournoyer as well as well as Wisconsin, which reached the national title game with a goalie with 3 years of eligibility remaining and then immediately kicked him to the curb for Cournoyer.

Maybe Hauser would like Ithaca

Does he like apples? I'll take the man to Applefest myself if it seals the deal 😂

[marty]

Pretty impressive lack of loyalty displayed by both Cournoyer as well as well as Wisconsin, which reached the national title game with a goalie with 3 years of eligibility remaining and then immediately kicked him to the curb for Cournoyer.

Maybe Hauser would like Ithaca

Does he like apples? I'll take the man to Applefest myself if it seals the deal 😂

What the hell is Applefest?  We used to hit the Cornell Apple Store or whatever it was called on our trips to Ithaca.  After that shut down I wished Cornell apples nothing but the worst.  I hoped they all rotted on the trees and that the ones that fell to the ground fed the famous Lacus faber apis.

I loved the apples from Cornell but now they are nothing but vinegar to me.

[adamw]

1. He's a big boy, he can handle criticism.
2. I don't think I reduced it to self-interest.
3. @adamw is incorrect about the meaning of Dartmouth's unionization effort. There was not a judicial ruling that the players were employees; there was a 2024 ruling by an NLRB regional office recognizing the bargaining unit. Dartmouth did not accept that decision and was refusing to bargain. Dartmouth's actions were setting up an unfair labor practice hearing backstopped by a battle in federal court if they lost. This isn't nitpicking, it's a significant difference. The case wasn't likely to get to federal court. The NLRB didn't get a quorum until December 2025 and once it had a quorum a Trump NLRB was never going to uphold that decision. Dartmouth's players knew it and withdrew their attempt to unionize.

We are a very, very long way from the Amherst shortstop being considered a school employee.

Yes, I get called an idiot 5 times a day on twitter - so I'll be fine.

It may have been an NLRB regional director, not a judge -- but the point is that the person put out a ruling where it specifically obliterated the rationale that athletes are not employees just because they are in non-revenue sports. That's the point I was alluding to. Because I don't believe threading the needle will be possible. I will try to find it.

[adamw]

1. He's a big boy, he can handle criticism.
2. I don't think I reduced it to self-interest.
3. @adamw is incorrect about the meaning of Dartmouth's unionization effort. There was not a judicial ruling that the players were employees; there was a 2024 ruling by an NLRB regional office recognizing the bargaining unit. Dartmouth did not accept that decision and was refusing to bargain. Dartmouth's actions were setting up an unfair labor practice hearing backstopped by a battle in federal court if they lost. This isn't nitpicking, it's a significant difference. The case wasn't likely to get to federal court. The NLRB didn't get a quorum until December 2025 and once it had a quorum a Trump NLRB was never going to uphold that decision. Dartmouth's players knew it and withdrew their attempt to unionize.

We are a very, very long way from the Amherst shortstop being considered a school employee.

Yes, I get called an idiot 5 times a day on twitter - so I'll be fine.

It may have been an NLRB regional director, not a judge -- but the point is that the person put out a ruling where it specifically obliterated the rationale that athletes are not employees just because they are in non-revenue sports. That's the point I was alluding to. Because I don't believe threading the needle will be possible. I will try to find it.

https://apps.nlrb.gov/link/document.aspx/09031d4583c5ebe4

Like the graduate student research assistants and teaching assistants in Columbia University, and like the football players in Northwestern University, the basketball players at issue here perform work which benefits Dartmouth. While there is some factual dispute as to how much revenue is generated by the men's basketball program, and whether that program is profitable, the profitability of any given business does not affect the employee status of the individuals who perform work for that business.

I don't believe this is as far away from a likelihood as ugarte does. All it would take is a different president.

[stereax]

Pretty impressive lack of loyalty displayed by both Cournoyer as well as well as Wisconsin, which reached the national title game with a goalie with 3 years of eligibility remaining and then immediately kicked him to the curb for Cournoyer.

Maybe Hauser would like Ithaca

Does he like apples? I'll take the man to Applefest myself if it seals the deal 😂

What the hell is Applefest?  We used to hit the Cornell Apple Store or whatever it was called on our trips to Ithaca.  After that shut down I wished Cornell apples nothing but the worst.  I hoped they all rotted on the trees and that the ones that fell to the ground fed the famous Lacus faber apis.

I loved the apples from Cornell but now they are nothing but vinegar to me.

One of the most fun weekends in Ithaca.

A lot of good street food, games, and assorted other things to buy. Aka: heaven, for someone like me.

[ugarte]

I don't believe this is as far away from a likelihood as ugarte does. All it would take is a different president.

And Supreme Court. The current court's position on NIL - precluding the NCAA from blocking outside employment or self-exploitation - says nothing about how they'd feel about the employer/employee relationship a college has with its athletes.

[abmarks]

Unfortunately I doubt McNally is really going to dig into what happened, the Sun's sports coverage never wants to rock the boat but it would be great to at least get Casey on record.

Oh the young and their lack of interest in history.

Paging Jeremy Schaap (Sun Sports Editor 88-89 IIRC.)

The Sun broke the story that eventually brought down Cornell's Football HC Maxie Baughn, who had guided the team to an Ivy title the season before (1988). 

The Sun isn't online from that timeframe, unfortunately, to show you, but I have a visceral memory of reading Schaap's commentary accompanying the story as he detailed the deliberations at the Sun over whether or not to publish the story.

Considering the story was that HC Baughn had been having an affair with his Assistant Coach's wife, that was a brave decision to publish it.

[stereax]

Can anyone break this paywall?

[underskill]

Cournoyer said he entered the transfer portal because he was looking for a new challenge.
"I just wanted to jump to the next level," he said. "I decided to enter the portal because we thought, my family and my adviser, that I could get a better opportunity. And Wisconsin reached out right after so it worked out pretty well."

[stereax]

Cournoyer said he entered the transfer portal because he was looking for a new challenge.
"I just wanted to jump to the next level," he said. "I decided to enter the portal because we thought, my family and my adviser, that I could get a better opportunity. And Wisconsin reached out right after so it worked out pretty well."

[andyw2100]

Cournoyer said he entered the transfer portal because he was looking for a new challenge.
"I just wanted to jump to the next level," he said. "I decided to enter the portal because we thought, my family and my adviser, that I could get a better opportunity. And Wisconsin reached out right after so it worked out pretty well."

Next level? That's classy.

I say good riddance. I hope he winds up riding the pine at Wisconsin. He can feel good opening and closing the door for his new level of teammates.

[Cornell troll]

wow fuck this dude

[stereax]

"Next level".

What.

[fastforward]

Karma is a beatch 😡