Money: Cornellians lost to (and gained from) the portal

[BearLover]

Wow, much bigger freakout by the non-BL posters in response to this news than when Robertson ditched last year. Why is that?

[Trotsky]

Three years instead of 1.

Much more important contributor.

[BearLover]

Three years instead of 1.

Much more important contributor.

Robertson had 2 years left when he ditched. But in any case, I think you were missing the bigger picture. The important thing was that one of Cornell's best players transferred to the Big 10 despite personal and team success. Not much different at all from what just happened with Cournoyer.

[stereax]

Three years instead of 1.

Much more important contributor.

Robertson had 2 years left when he ditched. But in any case, I think you were missing the bigger picture. The important thing was that one of Cornell's best players transferred to the Big 10 despite personal and team success. Not much different at all from what just happened with Cournoyer.

If you put it that way, sure - but Robertson proved to be pretty damn replaceable. I'd wager Veilleux is better than him. Even if he weren't, that's one d-men out of six on your roster. You can, and should be able to, cover for that. That's why you roster 8 or 9 d-men in the first place.

There's only one goalie in net. That's a much harder position to replace - especially if you're only aware of it in, say, February or March. Plus, landing Cournoyer was seen as a HUGE get by the team, both because of his credentials (draft pick!) as well as his talent. You could argue Cornell "took a chance" on the kid who played a total of what, 20 QMJHL games? And is getting "burned" for it, in your words, BL. You don't roster more than one starting goaltender as a general rule - the rest of your goalies are backups or practice guys.

Also, guys transferring after their freshman year feels pretty unheard-of, for Cornell.

[BearLover]

So is it correct then that if, with my 200 billion dollars from acts I no longer wish to recall, I want to buy us players, I have to do it via some sort of front organization affiliated with the university?  The financial analog of the University of Tennessee Orange Pride hostesses?

I can't bribe the kid personally, I have to bribe him via an LLC?

I'm sure stereax or someone will provide a breakdown of NIL versus revenue sharing and where those now stand. I'm too tired right now to do so myself.

A few things I'd note about the futility of our situation:

• The Ivy League put out a directive that the schools themselves cannot organize NIL payments. Though NIL collectives are third-party vehicles, they usually work closely with coaches and athletic departments to raise money and divvy up payouts. In the Ivy League, this is forbidden. The Ivy League is the only league in America that does not permit its schools/ADs/coaches to organize paying its players.
• The Ivy League opted out of revenue sharing. So schools cannot pay players directly.
• The Ivy League is the only league in America that does not afford eligibility to graduate students. When the new 5-year eligibility model soon gets approved, all other schools will be able to keep their best players 5 years and bring in graduate transfers, further disadvantaging the Ivies.

[BearLover]

Three years instead of 1.

Much more important contributor.

Robertson had 2 years left when he ditched. But in any case, I think you were missing the bigger picture. The important thing was that one of Cornell's best players transferred to the Big 10 despite personal and team success. Not much different at all from what just happened with Cournoyer.

If you put it that way, sure - but Robertson proved to be pretty damn replaceable. I'd wager Veilleux is better than him. Even if he weren't, that's one d-men out of six on your roster. You can, and should be able to, cover for that. That's why you roster 8 or 9 d-men in the first place.

There's only one goalie in net. That's a much harder position to replace - especially if you're only aware of it in, say, February or March. Plus, landing Cournoyer was seen as a HUGE get by the team, both because of his credentials (draft pick!) as well as his talent. You could argue Cornell "took a chance" on the kid who played a total of what, 20 QMJHL games? And is getting "burned" for it, in your words, BL. You don't roster more than one starting goaltender as a general rule - the rest of your goalies are backups or practice guys.

Also, guys transferring after their freshman year feels pretty unheard-of, for Cornell.

Guys transferring out at all is pretty unheard of at Cornell, until now.

What you said is true but like I said back when the Robertson transfer happened, I was worried as much about what it meant for the future as I was about Robertson specifically. So we lost our best returning defenseman last year, we lose (at least) our starting goalie this year, and maybe next year we lose two of our best forwards. To me, that's all the same--our best players deciding that personal success and a winning culture isn't enough. If that's not enough, then Cornell doesn't stand a chance.

[stereax]

I'm sure stereax or someone will provide a breakdown of NIL versus revenue sharing and where those now stand. I'm too tired right now to do so myself.

Yeah it's 1:30 AM and I'm swamped in work I'm avoiding - I'll probably get to this later this week if I'm still breathing by then. But yeah, the list is accurate. Only thing I'd mention is that graduate eligibility is less to "keep their best players 5 years" - most of the best players are signing in the NHL after 2 or 3 years. The grad eligibility is for decent-to-good college players who would rather spend the extra year in college (and possibly get an MBA out of it) instead of the ECHL, as opposed to actual NHL prospects. Grad students being much more widely allowed, at least in MY opinion, isn't that big of a deal in a vacuum for hockey, in part because of how the pro leagues work. I mean, look at most of the current grad transfers or grad players - they're not really needle movers. (If you look at the CHIP rankings on CHN, for instance, only one player from the top 50 is a grad student, Alex Gaffney.) I think it's more that in combination with other factors.

[BearLover]

I'm sure stereax or someone will provide a breakdown of NIL versus revenue sharing and where those now stand. I'm too tired right now to do so myself.

Yeah it's 1:30 AM and I'm swamped in work I'm avoiding - I'll probably get to this later this week if I'm still breathing by then. But yeah, the list is accurate. Only thing I'd mention is that graduate eligibility is less to "keep their best players 5 years" - most of the best players are signing in the NHL after 2 or 3 years. The grad eligibility is for decent-to-good college players who would rather spend the extra year in college (and possibly get an MBA out of it) instead of the ECHL, as opposed to actual NHL prospects. Grad students being much more widely allowed, at least in MY opinion, isn't that big of a deal in a vacuum for hockey, in part because of how the pro leagues work. I mean, look at most of the current grad transfers or grad players - they're not really needle movers. (If you look at the CHIP rankings on CHN, for instance, only one player from the top 50 is a grad student, Alex Gaffney.) I think it's more that in combination with other factors.

Not sure if you were following college hockey closely in 2022-23 but check out Quinnipiac's national championship roster (7 5th year seniors).

[stereax]

Three years instead of 1.

Much more important contributor.

Robertson had 2 years left when he ditched. But in any case, I think you were missing the bigger picture. The important thing was that one of Cornell's best players transferred to the Big 10 despite personal and team success. Not much different at all from what just happened with Cournoyer.

If you put it that way, sure - but Robertson proved to be pretty damn replaceable. I'd wager Veilleux is better than him. Even if he weren't, that's one d-men out of six on your roster. You can, and should be able to, cover for that. That's why you roster 8 or 9 d-men in the first place.

There's only one goalie in net. That's a much harder position to replace - especially if you're only aware of it in, say, February or March. Plus, landing Cournoyer was seen as a HUGE get by the team, both because of his credentials (draft pick!) as well as his talent. You could argue Cornell "took a chance" on the kid who played a total of what, 20 QMJHL games? And is getting "burned" for it, in your words, BL. You don't roster more than one starting goaltender as a general rule - the rest of your goalies are backups or practice guys.

Also, guys transferring after their freshman year feels pretty unheard-of, for Cornell.

Guys transferring out at all is pretty unheard of at Cornell, until now.

What you said is true but like I said back when the Robertson transfer happened, I was worried as much about what it meant for the future as I was about Robertson specifically. So we lost our best returning defenseman last year, we lose (at least) our starting goalie this year, and maybe next year we lose two of our best forwards. To me, that's all the same--our best players deciding that personal success and a winning culture isn't enough. If that's not enough, then Cornell doesn't stand a chance.

You're right - though I'd push back gently on the "personal success" part of it, because every player defines that differently. I figured the Robertson thing was one guy who was perhaps disillusioned with Casey, or had financial considerations, or maybe thought he wouldn't get as much ice time with the program this year. But if it becomes a trend - and if Cournoyer is chasing a bag, it well might be - it will be incredibly difficult to field a team that's nationally competitive, not just in the ECAC where half the teams are playing by the same cripple fight rules, the other half are similarly struggling with the new NIL rules because they're broke, and Pecknold is still a whiny bitch.

[stereax]

I'm sure stereax or someone will provide a breakdown of NIL versus revenue sharing and where those now stand. I'm too tired right now to do so myself.

Yeah it's 1:30 AM and I'm swamped in work I'm avoiding - I'll probably get to this later this week if I'm still breathing by then. But yeah, the list is accurate. Only thing I'd mention is that graduate eligibility is less to "keep their best players 5 years" - most of the best players are signing in the NHL after 2 or 3 years. The grad eligibility is for decent-to-good college players who would rather spend the extra year in college (and possibly get an MBA out of it) instead of the ECHL, as opposed to actual NHL prospects. Grad students being much more widely allowed, at least in MY opinion, isn't that big of a deal in a vacuum for hockey, in part because of how the pro leagues work. I mean, look at most of the current grad transfers or grad players - they're not really needle movers. (If you look at the CHIP rankings on CHN, for instance, only one player from the top 50 is a grad student, Alex Gaffney.) I think it's more that in combination with other factors.

Not sure if you were following college hockey closely in 2022-23 but check out Quinnipiac's national championship roster (7 5th year seniors).

I wasn't. (Luckily, it seems.) But Q's entire shtick is pulling shit out of their asses with transfers and the like. How many of those 5th-year players were core contributors?

[BearLover]

I'm sure stereax or someone will provide a breakdown of NIL versus revenue sharing and where those now stand. I'm too tired right now to do so myself.

Yeah it's 1:30 AM and I'm swamped in work I'm avoiding - I'll probably get to this later this week if I'm still breathing by then. But yeah, the list is accurate. Only thing I'd mention is that graduate eligibility is less to "keep their best players 5 years" - most of the best players are signing in the NHL after 2 or 3 years. The grad eligibility is for decent-to-good college players who would rather spend the extra year in college (and possibly get an MBA out of it) instead of the ECHL, as opposed to actual NHL prospects. Grad students being much more widely allowed, at least in MY opinion, isn't that big of a deal in a vacuum for hockey, in part because of how the pro leagues work. I mean, look at most of the current grad transfers or grad players - they're not really needle movers. (If you look at the CHIP rankings on CHN, for instance, only one player from the top 50 is a grad student, Alex Gaffney.) I think it's more that in combination with other factors.

Not sure if you were following college hockey closely in 2022-23 but check out Quinnipiac's national championship roster (7 5th year seniors).

I wasn't. (Luckily, it seems.) But Q's entire shtick is pulling shit out of their asses with transfers and the like. How many of those 5th-year players were core contributors?

See for yourself: https://www.collegehockeynews.com/stats/team/Quinnipiac/47/overall,20222023

[stereax]

I'm sure stereax or someone will provide a breakdown of NIL versus revenue sharing and where those now stand. I'm too tired right now to do so myself.

Yeah it's 1:30 AM and I'm swamped in work I'm avoiding - I'll probably get to this later this week if I'm still breathing by then. But yeah, the list is accurate. Only thing I'd mention is that graduate eligibility is less to "keep their best players 5 years" - most of the best players are signing in the NHL after 2 or 3 years. The grad eligibility is for decent-to-good college players who would rather spend the extra year in college (and possibly get an MBA out of it) instead of the ECHL, as opposed to actual NHL prospects. Grad students being much more widely allowed, at least in MY opinion, isn't that big of a deal in a vacuum for hockey, in part because of how the pro leagues work. I mean, look at most of the current grad transfers or grad players - they're not really needle movers. (If you look at the CHIP rankings on CHN, for instance, only one player from the top 50 is a grad student, Alex Gaffney.) I think it's more that in combination with other factors.

Not sure if you were following college hockey closely in 2022-23 but check out Quinnipiac's national championship roster (7 5th year seniors).

I wasn't. (Luckily, it seems.) But Q's entire shtick is pulling shit out of their asses with transfers and the like. How many of those 5th-year players were core contributors?

See for yourself: https://www.collegehockeynews.com/stats/team/Quinnipiac/47/overall,20222023

A couple. 2 of the top 6 scorers but 4 of the top 8. But again - most of these guys are good COLLEGE players, but not the upper echelon of hockey talent in general.

Side note - how the hell did they have 8 dmen playing 40 games a piece?

Second side note - apparently Krafty's CHIP is higher than Cournoyer's (by a hair, tbf) at the end of the season. No idea how they calculate CHIP because Long has similar stats and is several points lower. But it's interesting to note. It goes Casty, then a big gap, Veilleux... Major, Walsh... Ryan, Fegaras... Kraft, Cournoyer... Ashton, Long... Stanley, and then a big gap to the rest of the roster.

[Pghas]

Fuck.

Twitter verse has him headed to Wisconsin.

[scoop85]

Fuck.

Twitter verse has him headed to Wisconsin.

I guess he still likes a red and white uniform

[stereax]

Fuck.

Twitter verse has him headed to Wisconsin.

If he goes to Wisconsin, Hauser portals out, almost assuredly. Between him and Quentin Miller, land one.