Castagna and Walsh - The Worry Zone

[The Rancor]

Both undrafted.

[stereax]

I can't wait to read the apoplectic tirades when Cournoyer signs or transfers next season.

Goalies are different and need a lot more time to develop. Plus the goalie room in MTL is stacked between Fowler, Dobes, and Montembeault. He almost certainly won't sign after his sophomore year. Transfers, who the hell knows anymore.

That being said, we do have Cirka recruited...

When they're stacked, he's expendable... trade-able. One bag of pucks and a salary dump and he's signing with a team that didn't draft him. LeNeveu went after his Sophomore year, and, honestly, if he puts up numbers again like he did this season, what more is there to prove at the NCAA level? I don't want to say Bon Voyage, but it isn't unrealistic, especially if we make a deep playoff run.

He's also a goalie lol

[tretiak]

I can't wait to read the apoplectic tirades when Cournoyer signs or transfers next season.

Goalies are different and need a lot more time to develop. Plus the goalie room in MTL is stacked between Fowler, Dobes, and Montembeault. He almost certainly won't sign after his sophomore year. Transfers, who the hell knows anymore.

That being said, we do have Cirka recruited...

When they're stacked, he's expendable... trade-able. One bag of pucks and a salary dump and he's signing with a team that didn't draft him. LeNeveu went after his Sophomore year, and, honestly, if he puts up numbers again like he did this season, what more is there to prove at the NCAA level? I don't want to say Bon Voyage, but it isn't unrealistic, especially if we make a deep playoff run.

He's also a goalie lol

Yegorov went from freshman cheat code to sophomore scapegoat. Even Augustine stayed 3 years. I think UDFA goalies are more likely to leave early after a hot year than those drafted after the 2nd round.

I can't remember which analytics person said it, but the NHL market inefficiency is undersized defensemen and goalies. Maybe that's the recruiting trick to get a veteran team.

[stereax]

I can't wait to read the apoplectic tirades when Cournoyer signs or transfers next season.

Goalies are different and need a lot more time to develop. Plus the goalie room in MTL is stacked between Fowler, Dobes, and Montembeault. He almost certainly won't sign after his sophomore year. Transfers, who the hell knows anymore.

That being said, we do have Cirka recruited...

When they're stacked, he's expendable... trade-able. One bag of pucks and a salary dump and he's signing with a team that didn't draft him. LeNeveu went after his Sophomore year, and, honestly, if he puts up numbers again like he did this season, what more is there to prove at the NCAA level? I don't want to say Bon Voyage, but it isn't unrealistic, especially if we make a deep playoff run.

He's also a goalie lol

Yegorov went from freshman cheat code to sophomore scapegoat. Even Augustine stayed 3 years. I think UDFA goalies are more likely to leave early after a hot year than those drafted after the 2nd round.

I can't remember which analytics person said it, but the NHL market inefficiency is undersized defensemen and goalies. Maybe that's the recruiting trick to get a veteran team.

Precisely. Goalies take longer to cook anyway. It is INCREDIBLY hard to predict them. Courns will stay in the NCAA 3 years at least, unless he's swept off his feet with an offer he can't refuse. Also undersized D but I think that's more "GMs hate drafting people under 6 foot".

[Pghas]

I can't wait to read the apoplectic tirades when Cournoyer signs or transfers next season.

Goalies are different and need a lot more time to develop. Plus the goalie room in MTL is stacked between Fowler, Dobes, and Montembeault. He almost certainly won't sign after his sophomore year. Transfers, who the hell knows anymore.

That being said, we do have Cirka recruited...

When they're stacked, he's expendable... trade-able. One bag of pucks and a salary dump and he's signing with a team that didn't draft him. LeNeveu went after his Sophomore year, and, honestly, if he puts up numbers again like he did this season, what more is there to prove at the NCAA level? I don't want to say Bon Voyage, but it isn't unrealistic, especially if we make a deep playoff run.

I don't know - goalies are different.  None of the great Cornell goalies other than Dryden have gone on to even notable NHl careers - and ncaa does not appear to be a real pathway for goalies.  So he may leave but there won't be nearly as much of a push.  Goalies wind up not in the nhl or AHL after Cornell but the ECHL

[Trotsky]

Hopefully word is finally penetrating that goalies who go pro don't realize any advantage over those who stick it out for 4.  Forwards and D-men, it's to their advantage to go.

[BearLover]

Hopefully word is finally penetrating that goalies who go pro don't realize any advantage over those who stick it out for 4.  Forwards and D-men, it's to their advantage to go.

Wut

[upprdeck]

I would argue Brian Hayword had a pretty good NHL career.

He set the Jets franchise record for season wins, he played behind Roy when they won the award for fewest goals. He won the first ever game for the Sharks franchise.

Not bad for an undrafted guy, played about 10 yrs. Played about 25-30 games or more eight times. Won 20 games three times. 

[stereax]

"NCAA is not a pathway for goalies"

Hellebuyck, Connor
Oettinger, Jake
Swayman, Jeremy

[ugarte]

"NCAA is not a pathway for goalies"

Hellebuyck, Connor
Oettinger, Jake
Swayman, Jeremy

Miller, Quick

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

"NCAA is not a pathway for goalies"

Hellebuyck, Connor
Oettinger, Jake
Swayman, Jeremy

Miller, Quick

Elliott

[The Rancor]

Couns is 6'4 and already was a QMJHL goalie... Seems Michigan State needs a goalie? I'm just teasing, of course, but it is a real possibility. And as others stated, yes, NCAA does develop goaltending. Ours just don't always work out, because of, ahem, The System.
Scrivens had a pretty good NHL career, I'd say. And, FWIW, he's the Team Manager for Denver. Think on that. (if true)

[stereax]

Couns is 6'4 and already was a QMJHL goalie... Seems Michigan State needs a goalie? I'm just teasing, of course, but it is a real possibility. And as others stated, yes, NCAA does develop goaltending. Ours just don't always work out, because of, ahem, The System.
Scrivens had a pretty good NHL career, I'd say. And, FWIW, he's the Team Manager for Denver. Think on that. (if true)

Mich State is getting Ravensbergen I think

[ursusminor]

Couns is 6'4 and already was a QMJHL goalie... Seems Michigan State needs a goalie? I'm just teasing, of course, but it is a real possibility. And as others stated, yes, NCAA does develop goaltending. Ours just don't always work out, because of, ahem, The System.
Scrivens had a pretty good NHL career, I'd say. And, FWIW, he's the Team Manager for Denver. Think on that. (if true)

Mich State is getting Ravensbergen I think

Yes. Thankfully, he isn't going to an ECAC school, or RPI's projected backup, Ethan McCallum, may be in trouble.
https://www.instagram.com/reels/DU12nIwjJQZ/
They do smile at the end, so maybe this was staged.

[adamw]

I don't know - goalies are different.  None of the great Cornell goalies other than Dryden have gone on to even notable NHl careers - and ncaa does not appear to be a real pathway for goalies.

Others have chimed in already but .... wha???  If you said the opposite, you'd be correct