Ben Robertson transfer

[abmarks]

they would have to remove all the Canadian kids wouldnt they to pay NIL like that?

Not necessarily.  Was reading an article that talked about workarounds.  If the Canadian kids get a different visa than the standard student visa was one way.   Another was getting the nil for services rendered in Canada.  And the third was an example where you sold your nil rights to a company-and since that company controlled how your value was exploited, and you no longer did, you were safe that way too.

[Trotsky]

they would have to remove all the Canadian kids wouldnt they to pay NIL like that?

Not necessarily.  Was reading an article that talked about workarounds.  If the Canadian kids get a different visa than the standard student visa was one way.   Another was getting the nil for services rendered in Canada.  And the third was an example where you sold your nil rights to a company-and since that company controlled how your value was exploited, and you no longer did, you were safe that way too.

Yeah couldn't a student visa just be a work visa?  What happens with grad students who get stipends to teach?

[abmarks]

they would have to remove all the Canadian kids wouldnt they to pay NIL like that?

Not necessarily.  Was reading an article that talked about workarounds.  If the Canadian kids get a different visa than the standard student visa was one way.   Another was getting the nil for services rendered in Canada.  And the third was an example where you sold your nil rights to a company-and since that company controlled how your value was exploited, and you no longer did, you were safe that way too.

Yeah couldn't a student visa just be a work visa?  What happens with grad students who get stipends to teach?

I'll have to look for the article I read and see if I can find a link.

Another avenue was the visa type that Melania got.  The exceptional talent visa or whatever it's called. I'd assume that's the one that NBA, NHL, MLB, NFL etc would get if they aren't US citizens.

[underskill]

The basic student visa doesn't allow you to earn income. At least what I used under NAFTA.

[abmarks]

Not the article I was looking for, but if you really want to understand the issues, this was posted by the University of Oregon general counsel and is a legal analysis of the issues and slim options.

https://generalcounsel.uoregon.edu/name-image-and-likeness-international-student-athletes#:~:text=International%20students'%20visas%20limit%20them,and%20NCAA%20Interim%20NIL%20Policy).

[upprdeck]

You are limited in what you can work with using the student visa stuff.. Some of it you can work within your field.

[abmarks]

Here's another twist on the CHL recruitment saga.

https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-hockey/schlossman-ncaa-teams-are-running-into-roadblocks-with-some-chl-players

Re: CHL players moving to the NCAA,

coaches are finding out that a lot of them will not be academically eligible to play college hockey.

It's not that the CHL players are bad students.

The primary issue is that many have not taken the required 16 NCAA-approved core classes, including 10 in the first seven semesters of high school.

When these players signed in the CHL, they thought they were giving up their college eligibility and didn't bother working toward NCAA academic requirements anymore.

[The Rancor]

Here's another twist on the CHL recruitment saga.

https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-hockey/schlossman-ncaa-teams-are-running-into-roadblocks-with-some-chl-players

Re: CHL players moving to the NCAA,

coaches are finding out that a lot of them will not be academically eligible to play college hockey.

It's not that the CHL players are bad students.

The primary issue is that many have not taken the required 16 NCAA-approved core classes, including 10 in the first seven semesters of high school.

When these players signed in the CHL, they thought they were giving up their college eligibility and didn't bother working toward NCAA academic requirements anymore.

Exactly why much of the Major Junior brouhaha isn't going to matter (as much as some think)- many hockey players aren't interested in academics at all, even in a performative sense. At least for a few years. If the NCAA becomes the #1 league for NHL development, maybe that changes.

[stereax]

Here's another twist on the CHL recruitment saga.

https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-hockey/schlossman-ncaa-teams-are-running-into-roadblocks-with-some-chl-players

Re: CHL players moving to the NCAA,

coaches are finding out that a lot of them will not be academically eligible to play college hockey.

It's not that the CHL players are bad students.

The primary issue is that many have not taken the required 16 NCAA-approved core classes, including 10 in the first seven semesters of high school.

When these players signed in the CHL, they thought they were giving up their college eligibility and didn't bother working toward NCAA academic requirements anymore.

Exactly why much of the Major Junior brouhaha isn't going to matter (as much as some think)- many hockey players aren't interested in academics at all, even in a performative sense. At least for a few years. If the NCAA becomes the #1 league for NHL development, maybe that changes.

I think there's a bit of an understanding that the NCAA is a better league than the CHL, due to the age of competition and such, but yeah, if this is the case, you'll likely see the true influx start in 26, 27.

Though I know a decent amount of CHLers finish their high school early, often at like, 15, 16 and start taking classes with local Canadian universities while in the CHL. (Parekh is the poster child; I know the Mercers did this too, but not as advanced.) That being said, enough of them barely get through high school that you have some teams brag about how most of their kids do.

But additionally, if you have to take specific classes, things can get dicey. We'll see.

[BearLover]

Denver's NIL collective goes towards three sports: basketball, gymnastics, and lacrosse. No hockey.

https://www.denvernil.com/

[ugarte]

Denver's NIL collective goes towards three sports: basketball, gymnastics, and lacrosse. No hockey.

https://www.denvernil.com/

there is no way you actually believe that denver's gymnasts actually get more money than zeev buium. whether the collective is the method or not, that isn't happening.

[BearLover]

Denver's NIL collective goes towards three sports: basketball, gymnastics, and lacrosse. No hockey.

https://www.denvernil.com/

there is no way you actually believe that denver's gymnasts actually get more money than zeev buium. whether the collective is the method or not, that isn't happening.

Oh I don't believe that. But the relevant question here is whether NIL is affecting where a player chooses to play hockey. If Buium is getting an NIL sponsorship on his own rather than through Denver, then he could have done that at another school too. Same with CJ Kirst—he's certainly earning NIL, but not through Cornell, so it isn't correct to say NIL factored in to his decision to come to/stay at Cornell.

[ugarte]

Denver's NIL collective goes towards three sports: basketball, gymnastics, and lacrosse. No hockey.

https://www.denvernil.com/

there is no way you actually believe that denver's gymnasts actually get more money than zeev buium. whether the collective is the method or not, that isn't happening.

Oh I don't believe that. But the relevant question here is whether NIL is affecting where a player chooses to play hockey. If Buium is getting an NIL sponsorship on his own rather than through Denver, then he could have done that at another school too. Same with CJ Kirst—he's certainly earning NIL, but not through Cornell, so it isn't correct to say NIL factored in to his decision to come to/stay at Cornell.

citation needed. presumably the money (and i assume he was getting paid) is coming from someone in the denver fan base who wanted the guy to be at denver. there's more than one way to skin a cat and if hockey is outside the collective it's because the support is sufficiently endogenous to the broader program that it doesn't require institutional funneling. open your mind to the idea that you don't figure everything out the first time you think about it and every new fact won't have to be slotted into that conclusion.

[Trotsky]

The CHL gets far more great players than the NC$$.  

That used to be because of prejudice by the Canadian hockey community against US colleges: the Pussy Effect.  Then it was the momentum of their historical reputation plus scoping the field to include players unable to count: the SEC Effect.

Now, well, we'll find out. I strongly suspect you can matriculate 4 years at some schools without ever seeing a textbook, so maybe we'll see the rockhead schools dominate.

[BearLover]

Denver's NIL collective goes towards three sports: basketball, gymnastics, and lacrosse. No hockey.

https://www.denvernil.com/

there is no way you actually believe that denver's gymnasts actually get more money than zeev buium. whether the collective is the method or not, that isn't happening.

Oh I don't believe that. But the relevant question here is whether NIL is affecting where a player chooses to play hockey. If Buium is getting an NIL sponsorship on his own rather than through Denver, then he could have done that at another school too. Same with CJ Kirst—he's certainly earning NIL, but not through Cornell, so it isn't correct to say NIL factored in to his decision to come to/stay at Cornell.

citation needed. presumably the money (and i assume he was getting paid) is coming from someone in the denver fan base who wanted the guy to be at denver. there's more than one way to skin a cat and if hockey is outside the collective it's because the support is sufficiently endogenous to the broader program that it doesn't require institutional funneling. open your mind to the idea that you don't figure everything out the first time you think about it and every new fact won't have to be slotted into that conclusion.

I'll ignore your condescending last sentence and respond to the first part of your post: I highly doubt he is receiving substantial funding from "someone in the denver fan base who wanted the guy to be at denver." Buium committed to Denver years ago before he was a bona fide star, and he chose Denver because his brother was going there. It is not a reasonable "presumption" that he came to Denver because of a rich donor any more than it is that CJ Kirst came to Cornell because of a rich donor. A top recruit committed to a top hockey program to play with his brother, he left after two seasons, their coach is on record saying Denver hockey doesn't do NIL, and their collective doesn't go towards hockey. He's probably endorsed by Bauer or Chipotle or something but not because of anything to do with Denver.