Ben Robertson transfer

[abmarks]

Are you intentionally obtuse, or just dishonest? You're quoting things from my post out of context and claiming I was responding to something different from what I was responding to. For example, you previously argued against the 3k average NIL amount by making the point that Adam was referring to big 10 schools, not all schools. I said that this number was intended to average the dataset, and that it would be mathematically impossible for there to be 100k contracts factored in if the top 50 averaged out to 3k.

You are now responding by saying that the 3k wouldn't capture these cases because these cases are more recent than the dataset. Yes, I know that, I acknowledged that several times. But that was clearly not what my statement was in response to.

The dataset is limited by various factors. It is still real, compiled data comprising 1/3 of NIL contracts as of one year ago, as compared to random rumors and speculations.

As to the appeal to authority fallacy, the fallacy is that you're accepting as true the opinion of someone who himself admits he's speculating. You are exercising no critical thinking of your own to evaluate this speculation.

And I'm not going to suffer through a stupid argument over the shape of a curve you just admitted isn't exponential right after I said it wasn't exponential.

Lastly, the term "keyboard Karen" has been in use for like five years now over social media. It wasn't edgy then and it definitely isn't now.

I personally think the most illustrative thing here is that you said few thought Roberson could make the Michigan roster. That shows to me that you haven't actually been following these things. You're just bullshitting, you don't follow college hockey, you just want to yell at me because you're obsessed for some reason.

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Adam only said he was speculating about Robertson getting money.  He was definitive about Howard and when he said he'd talked with agents and others at the frozen four.  You don't read carefully.

I didn't take you out of context either.  You are trying to split apart two issues that have to be put together to evaluate the CURRENT state of play. Your argument about 100k payouts not making any sense because the data said 3k is entirely specious- because Adam's report of 100k payouts was not about historical practice. FFS he said "-- currently". Noone here asked him, nor did he say or imply that this was the case in the past.  And it stands to reason that it's happening now, not then, because of the House settlement. THere is so much actuon going on at the moment all over college athletics because that settlement getting finalized is already baked into decisions programs and players are making.   THre was even news this week that the judge overseeing that settlement had proposed some change and the lawyers all pushed back saying we're too close to the finish line to do it because the schools and programs are already building rosters and budgeting etc as if House had already happened.


has said that there were 100k payouts happening while the data was gathered.   You were the one implying that the math contravened Adam's statement, when in fact it didn't.  Remember, he said "currently" as I've now told you three times.

My problem with you is that you are arguing so often in recent months, this issue included, bray about needing some reputable published source being needed to prove that the garage you are reading is in fact wrong.  It's just stupid. With this, you keep defending the shit data - that probably is not at all relevant to what is going on today, nt to mention irrelevant to what Adam said, as there is zero overlap.   Your like Trump in 2016 screaming "but the emails" all the time...except the garbage you're spewing is "but the irrelevant shitty data!"

p.s.  I did say few here would have placed Robertson on a Michigan Roster.  So far you are the only person having chimed in on that subject, and because you think it was clear he could have played there, that makes my argument wrong?    One data point? Maybe you are the only one with that opinion...who knows?  You want to rip me if a slew of people all chime in that they definitely knew he was michigan material prior to this, go ahead.  But as the only voice at the moment, that's just a whiny punk crying out.    Are you a gen Z?

[BearLover]

Are you intentionally obtuse, or just dishonest? You're quoting things from my post out of context and claiming I was responding to something different from what I was responding to. For example, you previously argued against the 3k average NIL amount by making the point that Adam was referring to big 10 schools, not all schools. I said that this number was intended to average the dataset, and that it would be mathematically impossible for there to be 100k contracts factored in if the top 50 averaged out to 3k.

You are now responding by saying that the 3k wouldn't capture these cases because these cases are more recent than the dataset. Yes, I know that, I acknowledged that several times. But that was clearly not what my statement was in response to.

The dataset is limited by various factors. It is still real, compiled data comprising 1/3 of NIL contracts as of one year ago, as compared to random rumors and speculations.

As to the appeal to authority fallacy, the fallacy is that you're accepting as true the opinion of someone who himself admits he's speculating. You are exercising no critical thinking of your own to evaluate this speculation.

And I'm not going to suffer through a stupid argument over the shape of a curve you just admitted isn't exponential right after I said it wasn't exponential.

Lastly, the term "keyboard Karen" has been in use for like five years now over social media. It wasn't edgy then and it definitely isn't now.

I personally think the most illustrative thing here is that you said few thought Roberson could make the Michigan roster. That shows to me that you haven't actually been following these things. You're just bullshitting, you don't follow college hockey, you just want to yell at me because you're obsessed for some reason.

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Adam only said he was speculating about Robertson getting money.  He was definitive about Howard and when he said he'd talked with agents and others at the frozen four.  You don't read carefully.

I didn't take you out of context either.  You are trying to split apart two issues that have to be put together to evaluate the CURRENT state of play. Your argument about 100k payouts not making any sense because the data said 3k is entirely specious- because Adam's report of 100k payouts was not about historical practice. FFS he said "-- currently". Noone here asked him, nor did he say or imply that this was the case in the past.  And it stands to reason that it's happening now, not then, because of the House settlement. THere is so much actuon going on at the moment all over college athletics because that settlement getting finalized is already baked into decisions programs and players are making.   THre was even news this week that the judge overseeing that settlement had proposed some change and the lawyers all pushed back saying we're too close to the finish line to do it because the schools and programs are already building rosters and budgeting etc as if House had already happened.


has said that there were 100k payouts happening while the data was gathered.   You were the one implying that the math contravened Adam's statement, when in fact it didn't.  Remember, he said "currently" as I've now told you three times.

My problem with you is that you are arguing so often in recent months, this issue included, bray about needing some reputable published source being needed to prove that the garage you are reading is in fact wrong.  It's just stupid. With this, you keep defending the shit data - that probably is not at all relevant to what is going on today, nt to mention irrelevant to what Adam said, as there is zero overlap.   Your like Trump in 2016 screaming "but the emails" all the time...except the garbage you're spewing is "but the irrelevant shitty data!"

p.s.  I did say few here would have placed Robertson on a Michigan Roster.  So far you are the only person having chimed in on that subject, and because you think it was clear he could have played there, that makes my argument wrong?    One data point? Maybe you are the only one with that opinion...who knows?  You want to rip me if a slew of people all chime in that they definitely knew he was michigan material prior to this, go ahead.  But as the only voice at the moment, that's just a whiny punk crying out.    Are you a gen Z?

I stopped reading this post after the first couple sentences but where was Adam definitive about Howard getting 50-100K? Scroll back up, Adam said he was "probably" getting 50-100K. The agents thing was separate lol, strange to say this and then write "you don't read carefully"...?

[BearLover]

BL,

Some one is being intentionally obtuse here, that's for sure. Belaboring minute details as a way to hammer home points, claiming "gotchas" that don't exist - these are the things that earn someone a reputation.

The only reason I chimed in was to correct the notion that NIL is playing little to no factor in college hockey. This is just factually untrue at this point.  If you want to then twist the definition of "factor" to say - "well, yeah, ok, they are getting it, but it's a small amount and blah blah" ... then sure.  To me, that's moving the goalposts - and really, I don't care to debate semantics in 47 posts.

So anyway - I said what I said - and if you want to now argue the significance, go for it.

The point was to say that Robertson has his reasons. I can't get into every little detail, and I don't know him well enough to know his personal situation. Again, you can nitpick and belabor until the cows come home, but the over-arching point was to defend what happened -- defend both Cornell and Robertson, really -- and to counteract these breathless "sky is falling posts."  Not so much to debate you - which is a waste of time - but for the sake of others.

On the Western Michigan point -- I don't have a ton of issue with Barstool, but it's not like they're around college hockey much. They're liable to buy a line of PR fairly easily. They also may not care about the particulars, or that things may be changing by the minute. Again you nitpick me saying "giving" ... I fully realize that technically WMU is not allowed to give it - there's no need to hammer that.  However, it's naive to think that the schools don't arrange it via known benefactors, even if informally. So in essence, it's no difference. When a kid picks up the phone from a coach, and is told that "we'll have this much NIL for you" - those donors are not on the call. That gets figured out later. It's a promise.  And there have been college football lawsuits for promises made that weren't delivered.  Not in hockey yet.

Another point is that NIL will soon not even be the point. Michigan, for example, will have $20.5 million of revenue sharing to give out. Obviously, probably less than $1 million will go to hockey - maybe $500,000 tops? Who knows. Point being that Robertson could have -- speculation -- been offered a significant chunk of THAT. NOT the NIL.  Who knows.  Both are now in play.

Oh. as for the "authority" part ... Look, I've been on this message board for 20+ years and schmoozed with others on here in different forums for at least a decade before that. I'm uncomfortable making any statements about myself like that. Pretty sure Trotsky dissed me in 1996 for something like that - not my first rodeo . You can probably count on one hand the times I've used that card here. It's only in the face of blow-hardy, know-it-all opinions (that are false) that I feel the need to say something. Again, take it FWIW.

"BearLover out" really had a nice ring to it. Alas.

When I put quotes around "giving" I was not intending to nitpick who the NIL was coming from. I agree it's irrelevant where it's technically coming from. The point was that the amounts are very small. If a player is getting under 1K NIL, I think it probably rounds to zero as far as it being a factor in their decision of where to play.

Anyway, the "sky is falling" people in this case are the ones claiming we're losing players to NIL, no?

Here's some interesting food for thought: traditional powers like Denver, BU, NoDak, Quinnipiac, Duluth have no athletics profits to speak of. They also have fewer grads and certainly fewer rich grads than Cornell. We may be unable to offer players money like the big 10 (allegedly) can, but there's no reason we have to be behind these other schools.

[stereax]

Are you a gen Z?

As a gen Zer, I take offense to this!

[abmarks]

I stopped reading this post after the first couple sentences but where was Adam definitive about Howard getting 50-100K? Scroll back up, Adam said he was "probably" getting 50-100K. The agents thing was separate lol, strange to say this and then write "you don't read carefully"...?

You should be a corporate spokesman; you've got a remarkable ability to twist the most likely meaning of someone's statement to something else. And your rhetorical flair with the repeated "stopped reading" and the like is just plain intellectually dishonest.

When Adam said he's probably getting 50.to 100, I took that as a certainty he was getting money, but an educated guess on the exact numbers.  Regardless of the proper interpretation of his phrasing, I literally just paid $2 for a subscription to the Grand Forks Herald just to read this paywalled article and deliver the goods you so desire: a published, reputable source that generally corroborates Adam's info about big money NIL in hockey.


Here are selected quotes from the article out of respect to their paywall.  None of this out of context - the parts I left out from the article were not NIL related and/or weren't needed to support the NIL reporting.

https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-hockey/schlossman-the-big-ten-is-spending-but-the-nchc-keeps-winning-national-titles


Grand Forks Herald
Schlossman: The Big Ten is spending, but the NCHC keeps winning national titles

By Brad Elliott Schlossman
April 17, 2025 at 11:57 AM
 

• There have been concerns across college hockey that the Big Ten is on the verge of taking over with all the football money that has trickled over to hockey.



• There are underlying reasons why other schools are wary of the Big Ten and its money...The Big Ten has won a lot of recruiting battles for top prospects recently.


• Since 2019, the Big Ten has had 24 NHL first-round picks. Hockey East has had 16. The NCHC has had five — and two transferred out after a year to the Big Ten and Hockey East.


• Some Big Ten teams spent the second half of this season trying to shake down the NCHC for its best players....A few key players will head to the Big Ten. St. Cloud State second-round draft pick Colin Ralph is transferring to Michigan State. UND third-rounder Jayden Perron is going to Michigan. Omaha third-rounder Tanner Ludtke is off to Minnesota.
   
  
• Some Big Ten schools are throwing major money at top Canadian Hockey League players, who will be eligible for college hockey beginning this fall...Superstar Gavin McKenna, the projected No. 1 overall pick in 2026, is fielding massive Name, Image and Likeness offers. If he goes to college, he will likely enter next season as the Hobey Baker Award frontrunner — which is saying something considering 2025 winner Isaac Howard of Michigan State is planning to return to school.
   
  
• It's important to note the Big Ten has made big jumps in regular-season play recently with its top prospects...The NCHC had college hockey's best nonconference record five times in six years from 2014-15 through 2019-20. But the Big Ten has held the best nonconference record all four years since the pandemic.

Author's Bio:
Schlossman has covered college hockey for the Grand Forks Herald since 2005. He has been recognized by the Associated Press Sports Editors as the top beat writer for the Herald's circulation division four times and the North Dakota sportswriter of the year twice. He resides in Grand Forks. Reach him at bschlossman@gfherald.com.

While the article doesn't list numbers, it's in principle saying the exact same thing Adam was.

Convinced yet?

[BearLover]

I stopped reading this post after the first couple sentences but where was Adam definitive about Howard getting 50-100K? Scroll back up, Adam said he was "probably" getting 50-100K. The agents thing was separate lol, strange to say this and then write "you don't read carefully"...?

You should be a corporate spokesman; you've got a remarkable ability to twist the most likely meaning of someone's statement to something else. And your rhetorical flair with the repeated "stopped reading" and the like is just plain intellectually dishonest.

When Adam said he's probably getting 50.to 100, I took that as a certainty he was getting money, but an educated guess on the exact numbers.  Regardless of the proper interpretation of his phrasing, I literally just paid $2 for a subscription to the Grand Forks Herald just to read this paywalled article and deliver the goods you so desire: a published, reputable source that generally corroborates Adam's info about big money NIL in hockey.


Here are selected quotes from the article out of respect to their paywall.  None of this out of context - the parts I left out from the article were not NIL related and/or weren't needed to support the NIL reporting.

https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-hockey/schlossman-the-big-ten-is-spending-but-the-nchc-keeps-winning-national-titles


Grand Forks Herald
Schlossman: The Big Ten is spending, but the NCHC keeps winning national titles

By Brad Elliott Schlossman
April 17, 2025 at 11:57 AM
 

• There have been concerns across college hockey that the Big Ten is on the verge of taking over with all the football money that has trickled over to hockey.



• There are underlying reasons why other schools are wary of the Big Ten and its money...The Big Ten has won a lot of recruiting battles for top prospects recently.


• Since 2019, the Big Ten has had 24 NHL first-round picks. Hockey East has had 16. The NCHC has had five — and two transferred out after a year to the Big Ten and Hockey East.


• Some Big Ten teams spent the second half of this season trying to shake down the NCHC for its best players....A few key players will head to the Big Ten. St. Cloud State second-round draft pick Colin Ralph is transferring to Michigan State. UND third-rounder Jayden Perron is going to Michigan. Omaha third-rounder Tanner Ludtke is off to Minnesota.
   
  
• Some Big Ten schools are throwing major money at top Canadian Hockey League players, who will be eligible for college hockey beginning this fall...Superstar Gavin McKenna, the projected No. 1 overall pick in 2026, is fielding massive Name, Image and Likeness offers. If he goes to college, he will likely enter next season as the Hobey Baker Award frontrunner — which is saying something considering 2025 winner Isaac Howard of Michigan State is planning to return to school.
   
  
• It's important to note the Big Ten has made big jumps in regular-season play recently with its top prospects...The NCHC had college hockey's best nonconference record five times in six years from 2014-15 through 2019-20. But the Big Ten has held the best nonconference record all four years since the pandemic.

Author's Bio:
Schlossman has covered college hockey for the Grand Forks Herald since 2005. He has been recognized by the Associated Press Sports Editors as the top beat writer for the Herald's circulation division four times and the North Dakota sportswriter of the year twice. He resides in Grand Forks. Reach him at bschlossman@gfherald.com.

While the article doesn't list numbers, it's in principle saying the exact same thing Adam was.

Convinced yet?

Convinced of what, lol? What exactly is the claim?

Also, how are they throwing tons of NIL money at Gavin Mckenna when Canadian players aren't even eligible for NIL from US sources?

There is currently zero NIL at Denver, the most successful college hockey program: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6275152/2025/04/18/denver-hockey-ncaa-david-carle/
Source: the coach of Denver

PS: I read everybody's posts in totality except for yours. Yours happen to be exceptionally combative and insult-ridden and it's not worth it for me to read them since they're always more about attacking me than making any compelling point.

[billhoward]

Only one emoji. You're letting the home side down.

[fastforward]

I wish Ben the best of luck!
I'm very sad to see his departure but these things happen and they usually have a way of working out.
Whatever his reasons, I can't begrudge him for following his heart and doing what is best for BEN!

[BearLover]

I wish Ben the best of luck!
I'm very sad to see his departure but these things happen and they usually have a way of working out.
Whatever his reasons, I can't begrudge him for following his heart and doing what is best for BEN!

Vomiting into a trash can

[marty]

I wish Ben the best of luck!
I'm very sad to see his departure but these things happen and they usually have a way of working out.
Whatever his reasons, I can't begrudge him for following his heart and doing what is best for BEN!

Vomiting into a trash can

Put a wick in it and bring it to market.

[BearLover]

I wish Ben the best of luck!
I'm very sad to see his departure but these things happen and they usually have a way of working out.
Whatever his reasons, I can't begrudge him for following his heart and doing what is best for BEN!

Vomiting into a trash can

Put a wick in it and bring it to market.

I bet it smells better than the stench of ditching your team!

[billhoward]

He doesn't need my help (Adam doesn't) but ... [list=2]

• Actually, BU has more undergraduates than Cornell, ditto NCAA titles and Hobeys. BU is not a safety school, certainly not in this century.
• Did you argue with your professors a lot about, say, the Oxford Comma? Did girls pick you up after that?
• Adam kinda knows what he's talking about and at some point one should feel queasy in the stomach getting topped, repeatedly, by an IC grad. (Aside: One of my classmates transferred to Ithaca and turned it into a pretty good career in TV broadcasting. IC is the right place for a lot of things.)
• It is never a bad idea to let the other guy have the last word at least, say, half the time.

[fastforward]

I wish Ben the best of luck!
I'm very sad to see his departure but these things happen and they usually have a way of working out.
Whatever his reasons, I can't begrudge him for following his heart and doing what is best for BEN!

Vomiting into a trash can

What, are you 12 or what
Grow up
We have to listen to your drivel but can't voice our opinion?

[adamw]

BL will never admit he's wrong - so again, just for everyone else ...

Mankato Assistant Coach reveals their two top recruits were paid $80-90k by a B1G school to decommit from MNSU

https://www.reddit.com/r/collegehockey/comments/1k1u3ea/mankato_assistant_coach_reveals_their_two_top/

Happening all over. Also, Denver coach (who I know well) is definitely fudging a bit. The school opted in for a reason, and whether this is NIL or Revenue Share money, is going to be irrelevant soon.

Also, ignoring Bill's IC jab (I did laugh)

[Trotsky]