Ben Robertson transfer

[Trotsky]

i also think there are pretty good odds that the whisper network made it clear to robertson that there were opportunities to be had in the portal and seeing his name in the portal wasn't the first time someone in michigan noticed that he'd be a good fit

[stereax]

i also think there are pretty good odds that the whisper network made it clear to robertson that there were opportunities to be had in the portal and seeing his name in the portal wasn't the first time someone in michigan noticed that he'd be a good fit

[BearLover]

Ive been checking in on Robertson's performance periodically hoping to find him publicly quoted.on why he left. has been Still haven't seen that, but saw this today:

Michigan Daily

"When (Robertson) went in the portal, it's like, 'Dude, you're made to play at Michigan' with how he thinks the game," Michigan coach Brandon Naurato said Tuesday. "And he's responsible too, he's not high risk, high reward. He makes the right play at the right time."

Who knows if that's the rationale in Robertson's mind, but it's along the lines of why I thought he left; a more natural for his game.

Based on his performance up there to date, looks like he's really getting to show what he can do when surrounded with high end talent playing in a high powered offense.  Two years there (vs. here) will give him a much better shot at sticking in the show.

It's not just his assists.

• 11 games, 0G, 11A, 11pts
• P/PG: T4 on the team at 1.0
• +/-: T1 at 11
• TOI: leads team 19:26
• PIM: 2
  
• Blocked Shots: 2d on the team with 18.leader has 21, but 3rd is all the way down at 13
  

CHN has developed their CHIP stat, which I have no technical knowledge or understanding of how good a stat that is, but CHN describes it as Akin to WAR in baseball

Amongst defensemen, he's trailing only BU's Cole Hutson and Ty Hanson of UMD.

As someone who has doomed plenty about losing Robertson, I think there's a lot in this thread that is just not correct.

Robertson's stats are inflated currently.

First of all, let's look at his 11 points (all assists, zero goals). 9 of these 11 points came in massive blowouts against weak opposition: four games against Mercyhurst and Robert Morris that Michigan won by a combined score of 32-5. In eight games against stronger opposition (Providence, WMU, Notre Dame, Wisconsin), Robertson has *two* assists.

Second, Michigan's other top offensive defenseman, Henry Mews, is out for the season. I suspect that means Robertson alone  is quarterbacking the top PP and will be on the ice whenever Michigan desperately needs a goal.

Third, Michigan has extremely high-end offensive talent that Cornell didn't have.

Putting this all together, I'm not surprised at all by Robertson's output and I think it is totally in line with how much he produced at Cornell. I don't agree that this is going to help him get an NHL contract. Whether he gets an NHL contract is a function of whether he is talented enough offensively to counteract the defensive liability of being an undersized defenseman. It is not a function of having more eyes on him or getting to play with more stars.

The NHL has eyes everywhere. It's why Dalton Bancroft was a hot commodity after his *sophomore* season, and it's why there was a bidding war for Sam Malinski. Robertson wasn't drafted because he's a defenseman under 6' who, despite having enough offensive talent to be a great college player, does not have the all-world skill of a Quinn Hughes or Adam Fox.

Thus far he is performing at expectation and I don't think going to Michigan is going to help him get to the NHL. As to why he left, I don't know, probably a combination of multiple factors including financial reasons, the coaching change, and style of play.

And yes, we'd be materially better if he was still on the team. Others can meme about it but him leaving was pretty backbreaking for our at-large chances this season given how thin the margins are.

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Ive been checking in on Robertson's performance periodically hoping to find him publicly quoted.on why he left. has been Still haven't seen that, but saw this today:

Michigan Daily

"When (Robertson) went in the portal, it's like, 'Dude, you're made to play at Michigan' with how he thinks the game," Michigan coach Brandon Naurato said Tuesday. "And he's responsible too, he's not high risk, high reward. He makes the right play at the right time."

Who knows if that's the rationale in Robertson's mind, but it's along the lines of why I thought he left; a more natural for his game.

Based on his performance up there to date, looks like he's really getting to show what he can do when surrounded with high end talent playing in a high powered offense.  Two years there (vs. here) will give him a much better shot at sticking in the show.

It's not just his assists.

• 11 games, 0G, 11A, 11pts
• P/PG: T4 on the team at 1.0
• +/-: T1 at 11
• TOI: leads team 19:26
• PIM: 2
  
• Blocked Shots: 2d on the team with 18.leader has 21, but 3rd is all the way down at 13
  

CHN has developed their CHIP stat, which I have no technical knowledge or understanding of how good a stat that is, but CHN describes it as Akin to WAR in baseball

Amongst defensemen, he's trailing only BU's Cole Hutson and Ty Hanson of UMD.

As someone who has doomed plenty about losing Robertson, I think there's a lot in this thread that is just not correct.

Robertson's stats are inflated currently.

First of all, let's look at his 11 points (all assists, zero goals). 9 of these 11 points came in massive blowouts against weak opposition: four games against Mercyhurst and Robert Morris that Michigan won by a combined score of 32-5. In eight games against stronger opposition (Providence, WMU, Notre Dame, Wisconsin), Robertson has *two* assists.

Second, Michigan's other top offensive defenseman, Henry Mews, is out for the season. I suspect that means Robertson alone  is quarterbacking the top PP and will be on the ice whenever Michigan desperately needs a goal.

Third, Michigan has extremely high-end offensive talent that Cornell didn't have.

Putting this all together, I'm not surprised at all by Robertson's output and I think it is totally in line with how much he produced at Cornell. I don't agree that this is going to help him get an NHL contract. Whether he gets an NHL contract is a function of whether he is talented enough offensively to counteract the defensive liability of being an undersized defenseman. It is not a function of having more eyes on him or getting to play with more stars.

The NHL has eyes everywhere. It's why Dalton Bancroft was a hot commodity after his *sophomore* season, and it's why there was a bidding war for Sam Malinski. Robertson wasn't drafted because he's a defenseman under 6' who, despite having enough offensive talent to be a great college player, does not have the all-world skill of a Quinn Hughes or Adam Fox.

Thus far he is performing at expectation and I don't think going to Michigan is going to help him get to the NHL. As to why he left, I don't know, probably a combination of multiple factors including financial reasons, the coaching change, and style of play.

And yes, we'd be materially better if he was still on the team. Others can meme about it but him leaving was pretty backbreaking for our at-large chances this season given how thin the margins are.

You say he's undersized etc etc, but let's compare to Malinski.  Malinski was listed at 5 11, 189 his senior season, and he didn't have all world skills either.  He's been able to nail down a regular role in the show and I don't think anyone had him pegged as a sure thing NHLer.  Bancroft may have been a hot commodity, but he's also far from a lock to become a regular in the NHL.

Perhaps this is why Robertson transfered though:  This is how they do it in Ann Arbor.  (Warning, the music is NSFW)

Robertson is #21.   He wasn't going to get any practice in Ithaca on getting a takedown and a pin without having to throw a punch.

Check out wisco #17 at the beginning of the clip in the upper right.   I'd almost feel bad for him except...well he's from wisco.

[stereax]

Ive been checking in on Robertson's performance periodically hoping to find him publicly quoted.on why he left. has been Still haven't seen that, but saw this today:

Michigan Daily

"When (Robertson) went in the portal, it's like, 'Dude, you're made to play at Michigan' with how he thinks the game," Michigan coach Brandon Naurato said Tuesday. "And he's responsible too, he's not high risk, high reward. He makes the right play at the right time."

Who knows if that's the rationale in Robertson's mind, but it's along the lines of why I thought he left; a more natural for his game.

Based on his performance up there to date, looks like he's really getting to show what he can do when surrounded with high end talent playing in a high powered offense.  Two years there (vs. here) will give him a much better shot at sticking in the show.

It's not just his assists.

• 11 games, 0G, 11A, 11pts
• P/PG: T4 on the team at 1.0
• +/-: T1 at 11
• TOI: leads team 19:26
• PIM: 2
  
• Blocked Shots: 2d on the team with 18.leader has 21, but 3rd is all the way down at 13
  

CHN has developed their CHIP stat, which I have no technical knowledge or understanding of how good a stat that is, but CHN describes it as Akin to WAR in baseball

Amongst defensemen, he's trailing only BU's Cole Hutson and Ty Hanson of UMD.

As someone who has doomed plenty about losing Robertson, I think there's a lot in this thread that is just not correct.

Robertson's stats are inflated currently.

First of all, let's look at his 11 points (all assists, zero goals). 9 of these 11 points came in massive blowouts against weak opposition: four games against Mercyhurst and Robert Morris that Michigan won by a combined score of 32-5. In eight games against stronger opposition (Providence, WMU, Notre Dame, Wisconsin), Robertson has *two* assists.

Second, Michigan's other top offensive defenseman, Henry Mews, is out for the season. I suspect that means Robertson alone  is quarterbacking the top PP and will be on the ice whenever Michigan desperately needs a goal.

Third, Michigan has extremely high-end offensive talent that Cornell didn't have.

Putting this all together, I'm not surprised at all by Robertson's output and I think it is totally in line with how much he produced at Cornell. I don't agree that this is going to help him get an NHL contract. Whether he gets an NHL contract is a function of whether he is talented enough offensively to counteract the defensive liability of being an undersized defenseman. It is not a function of having more eyes on him or getting to play with more stars.

The NHL has eyes everywhere. It's why Dalton Bancroft was a hot commodity after his *sophomore* season, and it's why there was a bidding war for Sam Malinski. Robertson wasn't drafted because he's a defenseman under 6' who, despite having enough offensive talent to be a great college player, does not have the all-world skill of a Quinn Hughes or Adam Fox.

Thus far he is performing at expectation and I don't think going to Michigan is going to help him get to the NHL. As to why he left, I don't know, probably a combination of multiple factors including financial reasons, the coaching change, and style of play.

And yes, we'd be materially better if he was still on the team. Others can meme about it but him leaving was pretty backbreaking for our at-large chances this season given how thin the margins are.

You say he's undersized etc etc, but let's compare to Malinski.  Malinski was listed at 5 11, 189 his senior season, and he didn't have all world skills either.  He's been able to nail down a regular role in the show and I don't think anyone had him pegged as a sure thing NHLer.  Bancroft may have been a hot commodity, but he's also far from a lock to become a regular in the NHL.

Perhaps this is why Robertson transfered though:  This is how they do it in Ann Arbor.  (Warning, the music is NSFW)

Robertson is #21.   He wasn't going to get any practice in Ithaca on getting a takedown and a pin without having to throw a punch.

Check out wisco #17 at the beginning of the clip in the upper right.   I'd almost feel bad for him except...well he's from wisco.

Book him some time with the wrestlers. I'm sure he'd pick it up.

Also, god those jerseys are UGLY yellow.

[Trotsky]

Uni-wise, Michigan does less with more than any school.  Superior colors (get it?) but their uniforms have always been shit in every sport.  And god those cringe helmets.

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Uni-wise, Michigan does less with more than any school.  Superior colors (get it?) but their uniforms have always been shit in every sport.  And god those cringe helmets.

Agreed that the  current yellow is totally fugly and I don't think it's maize, technically.  But the more goldish yellow version that was the 3rd jersey In the late '90s and certainly for a long time after was HOF-worthy

[Trotsky]

Michigan-Ohio State is always an affront to human aesthetic dignity.  Midwesterners lack elan.

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News Flash:  CHN with the scoop - straight from the horse's mouth:    Robertson: "flying on a private jet to away games"

Quoting only the main couple sentences. Don't want to cost Adam the ad revenue.

A big factor in his decision was cost. Ivy League schools do not offer full-time athletic scholarships, so he felt that it was a lot to ask for his parents to pay for another full season of school. Meanwhile, the tuition kept increasing.

...

"I could probably say it was the hardest decision I've had to make in my life. The success I had, the friendships that I made there, obviously going into college there as a freshman. I made a ton of great memories there with the older guys that we had," Robertson said.

[Iceberg]

As some (myself included) rightfully thought before, cost was the big factor rather than academics or something else. I do wonder if he still transfers if Schafer doesn't retire, though. Between the coaching staff changes and a lot of the older guys he mentioned leaving the team, it was almost a perfect storm of circumstances for him to leave.

[BearLover]

As to why he left, I don't know, probably a combination of multiple factors including financial reasons, the coaching change, and style of play.

Sounds about right. He was unhappy with how things were going at Cornell and thought he would progress better at Michigan. He also cites cost. (Which is weird, because if tuition were too high as the article states then you'd think he would qualify for financial aid.) And I bet the coaching change provided the impetus to make the switch. Nothing in the article about NIL or more eyes being on him.

Hugely disappointing in any event for someone who will wish he had a Cornell degree five years from now.

[scoop85]

As to why he left, I don't know, probably a combination of multiple factors including financial reasons, the coaching change, and style of play.

Sounds about right. He was unhappy with how things were going at Cornell and thought he would progress better at Michigan. He also cites cost. (Which is weird, because if tuition were too high as the article states then you'd think he would qualify for financial aid.) And I bet the coaching change provided the impetus to make the switch. Nothing in the article about NIL or more eyes being on him.

Hugely disappointing in any event for someone who will wish he had a Cornell degree five years from now.

Even if pro hockey doesn't work out, his Michigan degree will open plenty of doors.

[stereax]

As to why he left, I don't know, probably a combination of multiple factors including financial reasons, the coaching change, and style of play.

Sounds about right. He was unhappy with how things were going at Cornell and thought he would progress better at Michigan. He also cites cost. (Which is weird, because if tuition were too high as the article states then you'd think he would qualify for financial aid.) And I bet the coaching change provided the impetus to make the switch. Nothing in the article about NIL or more eyes being on him.

Hugely disappointing in any event for someone who will wish he had a Cornell degree five years from now.

Even if pro hockey doesn't work out, his Michigan degree will open plenty of doors.

Yeah, Mich is still a damn good school to get a degree from in today's job market. Not like he transferred to a degree mill like Q, lol.

Also, though - there's a difference between "qualifying for financial aid" and "insane tuition costs". Financial aid only comes in if the family makes less than some amount a year. You can easily make more than that, even significantly more, and still have it be a struggle to pay tuition. (Plus, doubtful Robertson's family is super poor - hockey requires a lot of resources to get into in the first place.) So yeah, I do empathize with that as well.

[Dafatone]

As to why he left, I don't know, probably a combination of multiple factors including financial reasons, the coaching change, and style of play.

Sounds about right. He was unhappy with how things were going at Cornell and thought he would progress better at Michigan. He also cites cost. (Which is weird, because if tuition were too high as the article states then you'd think he would qualify for financial aid.) And I bet the coaching change provided the impetus to make the switch. Nothing in the article about NIL or more eyes being on him.

Hugely disappointing in any event for someone who will wish he had a Cornell degree five years from now.

I didn't see anything in that article suggesting that he was unhappy with how things were going at Cornell.

[BearLover]

As to why he left, I don't know, probably a combination of multiple factors including financial reasons, the coaching change, and style of play.

Sounds about right. He was unhappy with how things were going at Cornell and thought he would progress better at Michigan. He also cites cost. (Which is weird, because if tuition were too high as the article states then you'd think he would qualify for financial aid.) And I bet the coaching change provided the impetus to make the switch. Nothing in the article about NIL or more eyes being on him.

Hugely disappointing in any event for someone who will wish he had a Cornell degree five years from now.

Even if pro hockey doesn't work out, his Michigan degree will open plenty of doors.

I don't really agree...Michigan is a good school, of course, but career outcomes are massively different. Any Cornell hockey player with decent grades is a shoe-in to a white collar career. There are tons of recent Cornell hockey grads in ritzy jobs that I highly doubt are available to Michigan grads to anywhere near the same degree.