NCAAs quarterfinal Cornell vs. BU

[Dafatone]

I didnt really take notes. I could see it live and knew of it happening.

Even Shane was still off it looked.

By overtime it just looked like we were completely gassed and had nothing left in the tank. I was standing there (as I was on the run) watching on my phone like "is Psenicka usually this slow?" A distinct feeling of the magic, so to speak, running dry.

I thought BU looked gassed too, though.  I was shocked when I read about the illness.  I never would have guessed.

Everyone was exhausted on both sides I'm sure, but what struck me was that we were looking a little undisciplined positionally. Too many guys too deep on the forecheck, too many guys all the way to the boards on defense, chasing the puck all around. Maybe we lacked the speed to recover that we had earlier in the game.

Again, only a little bit. That sounds bad but it's not like we were a mess. Just a bit off, like too many guys defending the point and then all three realizing it and skating away from the puck on the game winner.

[jtwcornell91]

The QF game against a rested and frankly far better NoDak team was not close, and their only other win in the old 12 team format (2002) had them favored in the first round against a pre-ECAC Quinnipiac team. They lost the QF to a rested but not very much better UNH team that year.

Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.

What stings about 2002 was that we could've been the last beneficiaries of the Clarkson rule, which did not happen because of another painful memory.

Memory fails me, then, I thought they broke it open in the second. I didn't actually see the game, those were radio days.

Was that the game with Eddy Skazyk warming up in the tunnel because Jason Elliott was getting shelled?

[jkahn]

I didnt really take notes. I could see it live and knew of it happening.

Even Shane was still off it looked.

By overtime it just looked like we were completely gassed and had nothing left in the tank. I was standing there (as I was on the run) watching on my phone like "is Psenicka usually this slow?" A distinct feeling of the magic, so to speak, running dry.

I thought BU looked gassed too, though.  I was shocked when I read about the illness.  I never would have guessed.

Does anyone have the Time On Ice for our players?  By the 3rd period it seemed to me like we were double shifting Bancroft-Walsh-Mack and there were a lot of players that I didn't seem to be seeing as much as usual (perhaps Penney, Kempf, O'Leary -even though he scored, others?)

[BearLover]

The postgame press conference has been posted to the Cornell Athletics YouTube page. You can really see how hard Schafer and the players took the loss. Seems they agree with me that this is the most brutal Cornell hockey defeat in decades. It was so tough to watch, I actually had to turn it off.

[The Rancor]

So now we can blame the flu among the dozens of other things that have prevented us from getting to the frozen four since 2003. This was the most crushing loss I have ever experienced as a Cornell fan and I still am not close to getting over it. I guess I never will. One of those games that haunts you forever.

FFS clownlover, the world, and certainly Cornell hockey, owes you absolutely nothing. Yet you are perpetually the most entitled Karen on the planet.  So entitled that you can't accept the simplest of facts that largely explain much of this season, and instead trying to root out what must be the "true" causes.

You've got to be the only one on the planet at this point who has yet to accept that for most of the season, we were mediocre at best for exactly the reason coach stated over and over: "it's the injuries, stupid." And if you heard coach talking about that, rather than in print, it was clear that he was sincere and not putting down rote coach speak. You could hear it in his tone.   And explaining the reality that flu slammed the team isn't blame. To call it blame is just your entitled inner toddler brat throwing another tantrum because he didn't get what he wanted.

And your declaration that this was the most brutal QF loss is ridiculous, unless by brutal you mean recent.  You're right that opportunities can't be thrown away or blown.   But we didn't squander the opportunity.  The team played a damn good game as did BU.  We didn't make any major blunders.  We played our game...but on this day we got beat by another team that did the same.  

If we'd lost because of an ot goal like the behind the net fiasco from days prior, that'd be brutal.  Or getting our asses kicked by a vastly inferior team, that'd be brutal. Or completely dominating the run of play and not getting the result, that'd be brutal.  OT losses suck but this is one of the least brutal QF losses we've had.

And enough with the unlevel playing field BS.  It's not now, nor will it ever be one.  This isn't a salary cap league with a draft.  Even if every player on BU and Cornell got full rides and the admissions standard was the same, we would still be at a permanent disadvantage, though of lesser degree. Assuming the kids still have to go to class, the academics would remain harder to get through here.  But mostly the issue is that BU is in Boston, and we aren't.  They are at the center of a hockey hotbed, which offers two major advantages in recruiting- they are exposed to so many more talented players within a 2 hr drive it's a lot easier to follow them etc.  And on the flip side, how many kids grow up dreaming of playing at Cornell? Basically none.  But there are untold numbers of the kids who dream of playing at BU or BC one day and also don't feel like they never left home if they go there, because it's a large city.

You should stop following Cornell Hockey and spend your time following Duke hoops or similar; that's much more in your bizarro land of expectations. And while you're at it, of you are so certain of the prescriptions for what ails is, you should be sending all of that amazing insight and wisdom to Casey or Niki directly; I'm sure they'll be so grateful for it.

+1

[Scersk '97]

Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.

My memories are 25+ years in the bin, but I was there and I remember NoDak controlling play and dominating us from the puck drop.  We never felt in it.  Note they badly outshot us.

We were still close, and anything can happen, but had we somehow won it would have been a steal.

I certainly felt in it when we were only down one at the beginning of the third. My admittedly fuzzy memory recalls an ill-timed penalty that sapped a lot of our energy, or perhaps we had a power play we didn't capitalize on.

But, honestly, who knows? I can't find a "full" box score from that game for the life of me. I know I'm an old man yelling at clouds, but it feels as if the whole history of humanity between the beginning of the internet and the last few years has gone down a rabbit hole. It's becoming harder and harder to find anything useful on Internet 3.0, or whatever we're on at this point.

Everything ever more useless every day. Year One every day for the rest of time.

[Tom Lento]

The QF game against a rested and frankly far better NoDak team was not close, and their only other win in the old 12 team format (2002) had them favored in the first round against a pre-ECAC Quinnipiac team. They lost the QF to a rested but not very much better UNH team that year.

Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.

What stings about 2002 was that we could've been the last beneficiaries of the Clarkson rule, which did not happen because of another painful memory.

Memory fails me, then, I thought they broke it open in the second. I didn't actually see the game, those were radio days.

Was that the game with Eddy Skazyk warming up in the tunnel because Jason Elliott was getting shelled?

Skazyk wasn't on that team. Jean-Marc Pelletier was the backup that year.

[Swampy]

Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.

My memories are 25+ years in the bin, but I was there and I remember NoDak controlling play and dominating us from the puck drop.  We never felt in it.  Note they badly outshot us.

We were still close, and anything can happen, but had we somehow won it would have been a steal.

I certainly felt in it when we were only down one at the beginning of the third. My admittedly fuzzy memory recalls an ill-timed penalty that sapped a lot of our energy, or perhaps we had a power play we didn't capitalize on.

But, honestly, who knows? I can't find a "full" box score from that game for the life of me. I know I'm an old man yelling at clouds, but it feels as if the whole history of humanity between the beginning of the internet and the last few years has gone down a rabbit hole. It's becoming harder and harder to find anything useful on Internet 3.0, or whatever we're on at this point.

Everything ever more useless every day. Year One every day for the rest of time.

Try this: ChatGPT | Open AI

[jtwcornell91]

The QF game against a rested and frankly far better NoDak team was not close, and their only other win in the old 12 team format (2002) had them favored in the first round against a pre-ECAC Quinnipiac team. They lost the QF to a rested but not very much better UNH team that year.

Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.

What stings about 2002 was that we could've been the last beneficiaries of the Clarkson rule, which did not happen because of another painful memory.

Memory fails me, then, I thought they broke it open in the second. I didn't actually see the game, those were radio days.

Was that the game with Eddy Skazyk warming up in the tunnel because Jason Elliott was getting shelled?

Skazyk wasn't on that team. Jean-Marc Pelletier was the backup that year.

I dug out the HOCKEY-L recap and apparently the warming up in the tunnel story was from the Lake State game in 1996, so it was Skazyk after all.

[Tom Lento]

The QF game against a rested and frankly far better NoDak team was not close, and their only other win in the old 12 team format (2002) had them favored in the first round against a pre-ECAC Quinnipiac team. They lost the QF to a rested but not very much better UNH team that year.

Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.

What stings about 2002 was that we could've been the last beneficiaries of the Clarkson rule, which did not happen because of another painful memory.

Memory fails me, then, I thought they broke it open in the second. I didn't actually see the game, those were radio days.

Was that the game with Eddy Skazyk warming up in the tunnel because Jason Elliott was getting shelled?

Skazyk wasn't on that team. Jean-Marc Pelletier was the backup that year.

I dug out the HOCKEY-L recap and apparently the warming up in the tunnel story was from the Lake State game in 1996, so it was Skazyk after all.

Sorry, I meant JMP was the backup for the NoDak game, not that he was the guy warming up in the tunnel. I hadn't heard that story about Skazyk!

[Jim Hyla]

The postgame press conference has been posted to the Cornell Athletics YouTube page. You can really see how hard Schafer and the players took the loss. Seems they agree with me that this is the most brutal Cornell hockey defeat in decades. It was so tough to watch, I actually had to turn it off.

Did you really need to bring this up again. I think by now everyone knows your opinion and you know some of us disagree.

Anyway I think you're stretching to get someone to agree with you.

I don't think the feelings of 18 to early 20 year olds can determine most brutal in decades, since they have at most (and that's stretching) 2 decades of life experience.

And probably not even 1 decade (likely 1-5 years) of Cornell experience.

I suggest that you let it go.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having differing opinions.

What is annoying is constantly trying to get others to agree with you.

You have your opinion, I don't agree with you.

That doesn't make you wrong, nor me wrong.

I'm not you and you're not me.

That's life in the big city.

[Snowball]

The postgame press conference has been posted to the Cornell Athletics YouTube page. You can really see how hard Schafer and the players took the loss. Seems they agree with me that this is the most brutal Cornell hockey defeat in decades. It was so tough to watch, I actually had to turn it off.

Did you really need to bring this up again. I think by now everyone knows your opinion and you know some of us disagree.

Anyway I think you're stretching to get someone to agree with you.

I don't think the feelings of 18 to early 20 year olds can determine most brutal in decades, since they have at most (and that's stretching) 2 decades of life experience.

And probably not even 1 decade (likely 1-5 years) of Cornell experience.

I suggest that you let it go.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having differing opinions.

What is annoying is constantly trying to get others to agree with you.

You have your opinion, I don't agree with you.

That doesn't make you wrong, nor me wrong.

I'm not you and you're not me.

That's life in the big city.

Jim's right of course. But the upside is, if we continue this argument, we might get this thread up to 1000 posts!

[Scersk '97]

Unusual strong disagree on 1997. That NoDak game was close! Were they better than us? Sure. But the only broke it open halfway into the third.

My memories are 25+ years in the bin, but I was there and I remember NoDak controlling play and dominating us from the puck drop.  We never felt in it.  Note they badly outshot us.

We were still close, and anything can happen, but had we somehow won it would have been a steal.

I certainly felt in it when we were only down one at the beginning of the third. My admittedly fuzzy memory recalls an ill-timed penalty that sapped a lot of our energy, or perhaps we had a power play we didn't capitalize on.

But, honestly, who knows? I can't find a "full" box score from that game for the life of me. I know I'm an old man yelling at clouds, but it feels as if the whole history of humanity between the beginning of the internet and the last few years has gone down a rabbit hole. It's becoming harder and harder to find anything useful on Internet 3.0, or whatever we're on at this point.

Everything ever more useless every day. Year One every day for the rest of time.

Try this: ChatGPT | Open AI

Try this!

[adamw]

I didnt really take notes. I could see it live and knew of it happening.

Even Shane was still off it looked.

By overtime it just looked like we were completely gassed and had nothing left in the tank. I was standing there (as I was on the run) watching on my phone like "is Psenicka usually this slow?" A distinct feeling of the magic, so to speak, running dry.

I thought BU looked gassed too, though.  I was shocked when I read about the illness.  I never would have guessed.

Does anyone have the Time On Ice for our players?  By the 3rd period it seemed to me like we were double shifting Bancroft-Walsh-Mack and there were a lot of players that I didn't seem to be seeing as much as usual (perhaps Penney, Kempf, O'Leary -even though he scored, others?)

TOI at the bottom of all of our boxscores.

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/box/final/20250329/bu_/cor/

3 BU players had more TOI than any one Cornell player.

[Scersk '97]

3 BU players had more TOI than any one Cornell player.

How badly TV distorts the game.