Cornell vs. Princeton 1/17

Started by Iceberg, January 17, 2025, 10:30:48 AM

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Jeff Hopkins '82

My 2 cents:  

We started off well, but Koepple should have stopped the first goal, not to mention the D never should have let him skate in so cleanly. It looked straight in from my angle (I was parallel to the top of the circles),  That took the wind out of our sails for a while, and Princeton was beating us on the puck in the corners.  Fortunately we got one back against the run of play, which pepped the guys up.  After the second goal we were in full control. From that point, we pounded them in both zones.  I think by the end we'd worn them out.  

Castagna's goal was a beauty.  Hopefully he's got his mojo back.

The power play was awful.  We kept trying to get the puck down low, but with Princeton bunched up in front of the goalie, there was no place to go with it.  So...toss it back to the D, the 2 D-men pass it back and forth, and then drop it back down low with no place to go with it.  Lather rinse repeat.  Ugly.  The guys on the point need to shoot occasionally, just to keep the PK honest.

OTOH, our PK looked really good.  The goal Princeton scored was a seeing eye shot and Koepple was screened on that one.

I don't think anybody in the rink saw the 5:00 major.  When they started reviewing the replay, I had no idea what was going on.  It sure took a long time to get a decision.  And that may be the first time I've ever heard of a face-masking penalty in hockey in over 50 years of following the sport.  I'm not even sure what it is.  Is that grabbing the face mask like in football?

Anyway, it was nice to get a decisive win.  Hopefully this is the start of something lasting.

ugarte

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I don't think anybody in the rink saw the 5:00 major.  When they started reviewing the replay, I had no idea what was going on.  It sure took a long time to get a decision.  And that may be the first time I've ever heard of a face-masking penalty in hockey in over 50 years of following the sport.  I'm not even sure what it is.  Is that grabbing the face mask like in football?
Apparently so. I've never heard of it either but that's what happened. The Princeton guy popped Kovich in the mask and Kovich responded by grabbing his mask back and giving a tug. I didn't expect hockey gloves to allow the fingers that much freedom, tbh.

The Rancor

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Quote from: BearLoverCornell had a lot of puck luck in this game. Per CHN's xG stat,* our expected goals were 2.4 and Princeton's was 1.9. Cornell exceeded xG by 3.6 and Princeton by .1. This suggests Keopple played an average game, overall.

*AFAIK the CHN xG stat only takes into account shot location, not type of shot or other variables considered by more advanced xG models commonly used. I would guess that the CHN xG stat is more reliable than a layperson's own eyes, despite its limitations, which is why I reference it here. I don't have access to the more advanced xG models, though they seem to be out there for college hockey (eg. the RPI hockey blog seems to reference them).

Can't be happy at all with a win. Exhausting.

Beat Syer 6-2, so it's not coaching. ENJOY THE WIN. I was jumping out of my couch. Stoked to see them come together. Tomorrow we challenge Quinny... I'm excited to see what happens. LGR.

RichH

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Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I don't think anybody in the rink saw the 5:00 major.  When they started reviewing the replay, I had no idea what was going on.  It sure took a long time to get a decision.  And that may be the first time I've ever heard of a face-masking penalty in hockey in over 50 years of following the sport.  I'm not even sure what it is.  Is that grabbing the face mask like in football?
Apparently so. I've never heard of it either but that's what happened. The Princeton guy popped Kovich in the mask and Kovich responded by grabbing his mask back and giving a tug. I didn't expect hockey gloves to allow the fingers that much freedom, tbh.

The broadcasters (one a former player) said that there's one or two of those called every week in the league this year, and players have to control the urge, knowing that. I don't think it's true that they call it so often.

The Rancor

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Quote from: iceKeopple played a good game after he got warmed up.  

All the shoving/punching was surprising.  Don't know who the instigators were but Cornell needs to be more disciplined, no matter what.  

The biggest difference between Princeton and Sacred Heart was their goalies.


I had the misfortune of sitting near relatives and friends of the Princeton starter this year again and the one woman (I assume mother) was thankfully a lot quieter this time. Near the end of the game, one of the kids in the adjacent section ran through a bit of the telephone taunt and I don't think the group liked that too much, lol

Smith is a true Sophomore, and he's pretty good, big upside. In spite of tonight's results.

Trotsky

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Quote from: chimpfoodShoutout heafdog, hear you loud and clear on the ESPN plus stream.

HA! That freaking rocks! Thanks!!
You were loud and clear.

Iceberg

I could hear him from the far side below the balcony near the restrooms and it was definitely loud. Also, the Princeton band was there, which is a rarity, but they were a nice break from the canned music. Very lively atmosphere in general and a huge Cornell contingent as there usually is

HeafDog

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Quote from: chimpfoodShoutout heafdog, hear you loud and clear on the ESPN plus stream.

HA! That freaking rocks! Thanks!!
You were loud and clear.

Let us all be!

marty

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82My 2 cents:  

We started off well, but Koepple should have stopped the first goal, not to mention the D never should have let him skate in so cleanly. It looked straight in from my angle (I was parallel to the top of the circles),

I don't understand "the goalie should have stopped" type of statement.  I guess if I was a great goalie or even a mediocre goalie I might have that opinion but I'm more of "the goalie would like that one back" mentality mainly because I'm a mediocre skater who is in awe of EVERY D1 player.

That said I also wish the D had prevented this goal but i can't even skate backwards worth a fart - though i sometimes fart when trying.
"When we came off, [Bitz] said, 'Thank God you scored that goal,'" Moulson said. "He would've killed me if I didn't."

upprdeck

that facemak call was weird.  Never seen it.  Im not even sure you can grab a mask with the gloves on.  Sure you can push the mask around,. But thats the same scrum you see every game when it gets chippy.

WHat I dont get is why its a 5 min major if they want to call it.

but in reviewing the rule its kinda catch penalty

"A.R.: At a stoppage of play, a Team A player moves an open hand back and forth
(e.g., facewashing) on the face mask of a Team B player. RULING: A major
penalty must be assessed to the Team A player for face mask. A game misconduct
may be assessed at the discretion of the referee. A player shall not grasp, push
with an open hand or move an open hand back and forth (e.g., facewashing) on
the face mask of an opponent."

Its clear it happens often and never called the way the rule is written

TimV

Quote from: martyThat said I also wish the D had prevented this goal but i can't even skate backwards worth a fart - though i sometimes fart when trying.

There's your problem.  The farting pushes you FORWARD.::bolt::
"Yo Paulie - I don't see no crowd gathering 'round you neither."

scoop85

Quote from: upprdeckthat facemak call was weird.  Never seen it.  Im not even sure you can grab a mask with the gloves on.  Sure you can push the mask around,. But thats the same scrum you see every game when it gets chippy.

WHat I dont get is why its a 5 min major if they want to call it.

but in reviewing the rule its kinda catch penalty

"A.R.: At a stoppage of play, a Team A player moves an open hand back and forth
(e.g., facewashing) on the face mask of a Team B player. RULING: A major
penalty must be assessed to the Team A player for face mask. A game misconduct
may be assessed at the discretion of the referee. A player shall not grasp, push
with an open hand or move an open hand back and forth (e.g., facewashing) on
the face mask of an opponent."

Its clear it happens often and never called the way the rule is written

The rule seems overly harsh.

Iceberg

Has everyone here not worn hockey gloves before? With modern hockey gloves it's very easy to grab helmet cages. And face masking has been a penalty for as long as I can remember. It's just so uncommon that many people don't really think about it. I see it and spearing as similar types of penalties--rare but always results in a major.


Also, the rule gives the referees the option to assess a game misconduct, but Kovich was just sent to the penalty box and re-entered play after the end of the major. They evidently didn't deem it that serious but had to call a major by rule at the minimum.

Scersk '97

Quote from: TrotskyRAYHILL ICE TIME BITCHES!!!

Really the best thing about this game, and good for him!

marty

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Quote from: martyThat said I also wish the D had prevented this goal but i can't even skate backwards worth a fart - though i sometimes fart when trying.

There's your problem.  The farting pushes you FORWARD.::bolt::

I think I missed that lecture in Fluid Dynamics. ::crazy::
"When we came off, [Bitz] said, 'Thank God you scored that goal,'" Moulson said. "He would've killed me if I didn't."