Opponents and Others 2023-24

[billhoward]

nothing dumber than a post tournament poll

yes, but I'm grasping

Dumb would also be not doing the poll. Gives the voters a chance to seed differently from how the brackets turn out, to upvote somebody who was really good and ran into a buzzsaw early in the tournament. In another bracket, they might have gone further. Where would Denver have been seeded if one of those UMass pipe shots gone in in Springfield and that was it for the Pioneers, or if it we'd forced overtime in the Springfield finals?

Been said here before: Tournaments determine champions, not best teams. Okay, in 2024 men's basketball, UConn was also the best team: 23 point average margin of victory over the tournament, closest game +14 over Alabama.

[ugarte]

nothing dumber than a post tournament poll

yes, but I'm grasping

Dumb would also be not doing the poll. Gives the voters a chance to seed differently from how the brackets turn out, to upvote somebody who was really good and ran into a buzzsaw early in the tournament. In another bracket, they might have gone further. Where would Denver have been seeded if one of those UMass pipe shots gone in in Springfield and that was it for the Pioneers, or if it we'd forced overtime in the Springfield finals?

Been said here before: Tournaments determine champions, not best teams. Okay, in 2024 men's basketball, UConn was also the best team: 23 point average margin of victory over the tournament, closest game +14 over Alabama.

but who cares about their opinions after the tournament?

"We've thought about it and even though you lost, you shouldn't have. Stop cryin, it's a compliment!"

[George64]

Denver was lucky to win the first 3 games and then played a really nice final game to win it all.

Interestingly, Denver played an indirect, but significant role, in Cornell's emergence as a hockey power.  

Ned Harkness was good friends with Murray Armstrong, the highly successful coach at Denver from 1956-77 (460-215-31), with five NCAA Championships.  Armstrong had scouted twin brothers from Birsay, Saskatchewan, but at 5'9", he thought they were too small to play in the WCHA, and recommended them to Ned.  Doug and Dave's father told Ned that younger brother Bobby had to be part of package, and in 1963, the three Ferguson brothers matriculated at Cornell.  As a junior, Doug scored a nation-leading 71 points and set a Cornell record with 37 goals. The rest is history.  

Tragically, Dave died at age 34 in an auto accident, 10 years after Cornell's first NCAA  championship.  Doug died in 2003, and Bobby in 2010.

[Trotsky]

Basing five on the fact that we lost to the eventual champion.

I've been meaning to go back and edit the NT and ET fields in the CHDB to reflect this, now that consies are dead forever.

3 - lost to 1 in SF
4 - lost to 2 in SF
5 - lost to 1 in QF
...

Can easily be altered to deal with byes, etc.

[chimpfood]

CHN has syer as a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job.

[Iceberg]

CHN has syer as a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job.

Funny considering quite a few of the past years Syer has subbed for Schafer behind at Princeton due to illness

[BearLover]

I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.

I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.

I'd be curious to hear adamw's response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?

[Trotsky]

CHN has syer as a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job.

Funny considering quite a few of the past years Syer has subbed for Schafer behind at Princeton due to illness

He's something like 9-1 (yes, I know the results go to Mike).

[BearLover]

CHN has syer as a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job.

Funny considering quite a few of the past years Syer has subbed for Schafer behind at Princeton due to illness

He's something like 9-1 (yes, I know the results go to Mike).

That was before Schafer was out with an illness in 2021-22. Syer's record wasn't as good that year.

[abmarks]

CHN has syer as a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job.

Leave a link next time?

For those of you looking, its at https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2024/04/18_Princeton-Zeroing-In-on-New.php

Also, it doesn't exactly say he's a finalist. It says
" Among those who have interviewed, or were expected to, are Cornell assistant Ben Syer, Michigan assistant Rob Rassey, and Arizona State assistant Dana Borges"

Re: bearlovers question about why Princeton but not Cornell: bearlover, thatd be a good question  if syer was offered the job or the first.or second choice.   But all this says is that he interviewed, and he's interviewed for plenty of gigs over the years iirc. (Tsk tsk chimpfood for the misleading post).


Maybe the more pertinent question is why is syer still at Cornell, despite interviewing for other gigs frequently over the years?   (Someone correct.me.if it hasn't been that often)

Is it because he doesn't want to leave? Or is it because no one will offer.him a HC job?   Time will tell

[BearLover]

CHN has syer as a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job.

Leave a link next time?

For those of you looking, its at https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2024/04/18_Princeton-Zeroing-In-on-New.php

Also, it doesn't exactly say he's a finalist. It says
" Among those who have interviewed, or were expected to, are Cornell assistant Ben Syer, Michigan assistant Rob Rassey, and Arizona State assistant Dana Borges"

Re: bearlovers question about why Princeton but not Cornell: bearlover, thatd be a good question  if syer was offered the job or the first.or second choice.   But all this says is that he interviewed, and he's interviewed for plenty of gigs over the years iirc. (Tsk tsk chimpfood for the misleading post).


Maybe the more pertinent question is why is syer still at Cornell, despite interviewing for other gigs frequently over the years?   (Someone correct.me.if it hasn't been that often)

Is it because he doesn't want to leave? Or is it because no one will offer.him a HC job?   Time will tell

First of all, a more polite and way to start your post would be to say: "here's the link, if anybody needs," or something to that effect.

Second, I'm pretty certain this story has been edited. I don't have the earlier version in front of me (because it's been edited), but I am 90% sure the earlier version DID say something along the lines of "finalist," i.e. language that was the same or similar to chimpfood's.

[Will]

Maybe the more pertinent question is why is syer still at Cornell, despite interviewing for other gigs frequently over the years?   (Someone correct.me.if it hasn't been that often)

Is it because he doesn't want to leave? Or is it because no one will offer.him a HC job?   Time will tell

One likely factor is that Ben's wife Laura is Cornell's Vice President of Budget and Planning.  So my guess is that Ben doesn't take a head coaching job at Princeton or any other school unless it's packaged with a similar gig for Laura.

[abmarks]

CHN has syer as a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job.

Leave a link next time?

For those of you looking, its at https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2024/04/18_Princeton-Zeroing-In-on-New.php

Also, it doesn't exactly say he's a finalist. It says
" Among those who have interviewed, or were expected to, are Cornell assistant Ben Syer, Michigan assistant Rob Rassey, and Arizona State assistant Dana Borges"

Re: bearlovers question about why Princeton but not Cornell: bearlover, thatd be a good question  if syer was offered the job or the first.or second choice.   But all this says is that he interviewed, and he's interviewed for plenty of gigs over the years iirc. (Tsk tsk chimpfood for the misleading post).


Maybe the more pertinent question is why is syer still at Cornell, despite interviewing for other gigs frequently over the years?   (Someone correct.me.if it hasn't been that often)

Is it because he doesn't want to leave? Or is it because no one will offer.him a HC job?   Time will tell

First of all, a more polite and way to start your post would be to say: "here's the link, if anybody needs," or something to that effect.

Second, I'm pretty certain this story has been edited. I don't have the earlier version in front of me (because it's been edited), but I am 90% sure the earlier version DID say something along the lines of "finalist," i.e. language that was the same or similar to chimpfood's.

Touchy touchy. Only bearlover would still feel insulted the one time I don't shit on him.

I was critiquing chimpfoods laziness, not yours bearlover, which is why I mentioned the link immediately after the chimpfood quote.

Bearlover, your question for adamw was said "I'd be curious to hear adamw's response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job".  It was fair to assume you were commenting on chimps post since you used the same language.   No reason to believe you had read the original article or that it (might) have been revised, since there's no mention of update or revision in the article header.

Regardless, you're asking a good question if he actually is a true finalist for HC elsewhere.

[Trotsky]

Maybe the more pertinent question is why is syer still at Cornell, despite interviewing for other gigs frequently over the years?   (Someone correct.me.if it hasn't been that often)

Is it because he doesn't want to leave? Or is it because no one will offer.him a HC job?   Time will tell

One likely factor is that Ben's wife Laura is Cornell's Vice President of Budget and Planning.  So my guess is that Ben doesn't take a head coaching job at Princeton or any other school unless it's packaged with a similar gig for Laura.

That is how the game is played.

He has deep roots with Q as well, so perhaps he is thinking either Q or Cornell.

[chimpfood]

CHN has syer as a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job.

Leave a link next time?

For those of you looking, its at https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2024/04/18_Princeton-Zeroing-In-on-New.php

Also, it doesn't exactly say he's a finalist. It says
" Among those who have interviewed, or were expected to, are Cornell assistant Ben Syer, Michigan assistant Rob Rassey, and Arizona State assistant Dana Borges"

Re: bearlovers question about why Princeton but not Cornell: bearlover, thatd be a good question  if syer was offered the job or the first.or second choice.   But all this says is that he interviewed, and he's interviewed for plenty of gigs over the years iirc. (Tsk tsk chimpfood for the misleading post).


Maybe the more pertinent question is why is syer still at Cornell, despite interviewing for other gigs frequently over the years?   (Someone correct.me.if it hasn't been that often)

Is it because he doesn't want to leave? Or is it because no one will offer.him a HC job?   Time will tell

First of all, a more polite and way to start your post would be to say: "here's the link, if anybody needs," or something to that effect.

Second, I'm pretty certain this story has been edited. I don't have the earlier version in front of me (because it's been edited), but I am 90% sure the earlier version DID say something along the lines of "finalist," i.e. language that was the same or similar to chimpfood's.

Touchy touchy. Only bearlover would still feel insulted the one time I don't shit on him.

I was critiquing chimpfoods laziness, not yours bearlover, which is why I mentioned the link immediately after the chimpfood quote.

Bearlover, your question for adamw was said "I'd be curious to hear adamw's response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job".  It was fair to assume you were commenting on chimps post since you used the same language.   No reason to believe you had read the original article or that it (might) have been revised, since there's no mention of update or revision in the article header.

Regardless, you're asking a good question if he actually is a true finalist for HC elsewhere.

I believe the story ysed to say that Syer was one of two "front runners."