Opponents and Others, 2022-23

[BearLover]

Teams across the country are announcing that seniors will be coming back for their graduate season. For example, Minnesota-Duluth just announced that three NHL draft pick seniors and key contributors will be returning for a fifth year. Meanwhile, a team like BC coming off of a disappointing season can recognize it is short a player on defense and pull a top fifth year player out of the portal. Cornell and the Ivies are at a huge disadvantage here.

I actually think the transfer portal may indirectly help the Ivies going forward. Players move so freely now in large part because they do not value getting a degree at their current school. Ivies have an advantage where it is much harder to justify leaving school and giving up the degree. We may not get many/any transfers, but at least we will retain the players we do have and not see mass defections like at Clarkson, Union, etc.

But first we need to make it through the next two years, the final couple of seasons of fifth year COVID eligibility. We will be at a huge disadvantage until then, but at that time I think things will even out.

Even ChatGPT thinks you are long-winded.

Sure! Here's a shorter and more concise version of the essay:

"Seniors returning for their graduate season is impacting college teams. Some teams benefit while others, like Cornell and the Ivies, are disadvantaged. The transfer portal may help the Ivies as players value their degrees and are less likely to leave. The Ivies will be disadvantaged for two years due to COVID eligibility but things will even out after that."

Thanks for this completely needless post which serves absolutely no purpose other than to insult me

[Scersk '97]

Teams across the country are announcing that seniors will be coming back for their graduate season. For example, Minnesota-Duluth just announced that three NHL draft pick seniors and key contributors will be returning for a fifth year. Meanwhile, a team like BC coming off of a disappointing season can recognize it is short a player on defense and pull a top fifth year player out of the portal. Cornell and the Ivies are at a huge disadvantage here.

I actually think the transfer portal may indirectly help the Ivies going forward. Players move so freely now in large part because they do not value getting a degree at their current school. Ivies have an advantage where it is much harder to justify leaving school and giving up the degree. We may not get many/any transfers, but at least we will retain the players we do have and not see mass defections like at Clarkson, Union, etc.

But first we need to make it through the next two years, the final couple of seasons of fifth year COVID eligibility. We will be at a huge disadvantage until then, but at that time I think things will even out.

Even ChatGPT thinks you are long-winded.

Sure! Here's a shorter and more concise version of the essay:

"Seniors returning for their graduate season is impacting college teams. Some teams benefit while others, like Cornell and the Ivies, are disadvantaged. The transfer portal may help the Ivies as players value their degrees and are less likely to leave. The Ivies will be disadvantaged for two years due to COVID eligibility but things will even out after that."

Thanks for this completely needless post which serves absolutely no purpose other than to insult me

Long-windedness on this forum is a feature, not a bug. If you don't like it, go read the tweets, Tacitus.

[ursusminor]

Teams across the country are announcing that seniors will be coming back for their graduate season. For example, Minnesota-Duluth just announced that three NHL draft pick seniors and key contributors will be returning for a fifth year. Meanwhile, a team like BC coming off of a disappointing season can recognize it is short a player on defense and pull a top fifth year player out of the portal. Cornell and the Ivies are at a huge disadvantage here.

I actually think the transfer portal may indirectly help the Ivies going forward. Players move so freely now in large part because they do not value getting a degree at their current school. Ivies have an advantage where it is much harder to justify leaving school and giving up the degree. We may not get many/any transfers, but at least we will retain the players we do have and not see mass defections like at Clarkson, Union, etc.

But first we need to make it through the next two years, the final couple of seasons of fifth year COVID eligibility. We will be at a huge disadvantage until then, but at that time I think things will even out.

Is this supposed to imply that Cornell isn't really an Ivy? :-D :-P

[Trotsky]

This Mean Girls shit is making me sympathize with BearLover.  Please stop; there was nothing wrong with that particular post.

[Trotsky]

Jack Malone entered the portal.

Can I just say I love this terminology? Very foreboding sci-fi vibe.

[jtwcornell91]

Jack Malone entered the portal.

Can I just say I love this terminology? Very foreboding sci-fi vibe.

We're hoping to pick up some good players via the Torment Nexus.

[Trotsky]

Any ice planets out there?

[Dafatone]

This Mean Girls shit is making me sympathize with BearLover.  Please stop; there was nothing wrong with that particular post.

Now is as good a time as any to say, with zero snark and full sincerity, that BearLover joking about the talent gap with Ohio State while they were beating up on Harvard might've been the highlight of the year for me.

[ugarte]

Jack Malone entered the portal.

Can I just say I love this terminology? Very foreboding sci-fi vibe.

The extra grad year is longer than you think. IT'S LONGER THAN YOU THINK!!!

[upprdeck]

Sean Farrell in his second game with Montreal since Harvard was beaten scores his first NHl goal.  From what the board says its most likely because the Panthers dont have enough draft picks on the roster

[ursusminor]

To chew on, from the Colgate thread on USCHO:

From the 'More Questions than it Answers' Department...

Josh Hewitt on the Big Ten Hockey Facebook page posted a graphic of expenditures of NCAA D-1 MIH programs.

Here are a couple...

1., North Dakota, $5,453,864,
2., Minnesota, $5,269,203,
3., Notre Dame, $5,198,263
4., Michigan, $4,464,256,
5., Boston College, $4,360,627,

21., Quinnipiac, $3,029,101,
23., Clarkson, $2,630,662,
25., RPI, $2,563,477,
27., Saint Lawrence, $2,547,264,
31., Colgate, $2,423,063,
38., Yale, $2,073,478,
41., Cornell, $1,990,819,
51., Harvard, $1,374,610,
52., Brown, $1,363,881,
53., Dartmouth, $1,353,890,
56., Princeton, $1,133,425,
57., Union, $1,049,322.

From me, "I see 57 programs listed. What was the last year that NCAA had 57 men's D-1 ice hockey programs? If it is more current than that, what programs are not included (and why)? More specifically, what year does it supposedly represent? And what exactly goes into those numbers? Thanks."

From Josh, "It’s all the schools that have the records for expenses for the Men’s hockey program available and includes all expenditures for the program. Salaries, rink maintenance, travel, etc….
GopherPuckLive periodically puts together an article to compare where Minnesota is compared to the rest of college hockey. Here is an article from 2018 as an example with additional info."

"https://gopherpucklive.com/minnesota-ranks-second-for.../

"The data I posted above is for this season. I don’t know if he is going to put together an article with further breakdown or not, but you should probably be able to find the data for your program in public records."

While I still question a lot about the specifics of this ranking, it probably does fairly accurately show the basic differences between the expenditures of the Big Ten (and other) conference programs and those of the ECAC Hockey conference.

One thing that I like about eLynah is that one can post anything on almost any thread and be at least partially on topic. :-)

[upprdeck]

pretty big jump from the bottom 5 ivys to Cornell/Yale..   I mean why is Harvard able to spend 600K less? I doubt it salaries?   But if you add Scholie cost to the Ivy schools they jump to the top 25 most likely .

Also How does ND spend 3-4x times as much.  Is that arena that expensive to run or is it all travel cost and coaching?

[Beeeej]

pretty big jump from the bottom 5 ivys to Cornell/Yale..   I mean why is Harvard able to spend 600K less? I doubt it salaries?   But if you add Scholie cost to the Ivy schools they jump to the top 25 most likely .

Also How does ND spend 3-4x times as much.  Is that arena that expensive to run or is it all travel cost and coaching?

I'm not an accountant, but it's possible that spending out of an endowment's annual payout doesn't count as a current-year expenditure. So Cornell wouldn't count the portion of Coach Schafer's salary that's covered by its endowment, and Harvard wouldn't count whatever their men's hockey endowment covers.

[Trotsky]

and Harvard wouldn't count whatever their men's hockey endowment covers.

Drinks and slaves.

[Roy 82]

Harvard's Henry Thrun with two assists in his Sharks debut. He looks like the real deal but it'll be tough rooting for him.

....But not as tough as rooting for the Sharks goalie

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