Vote Barron for Hobey

[redice]

A good read.

[Trotsky]

A good read.

Nice to see Brandon getting more and more traction, he deserves it.

But can we please kill that childish windowed presentation gimmick?  It was cool once.  Now it's simply irritating and juvenile.  Maybe it's better on iPacifiers but on a PC at work, where we should all be surfing, it's insufferably cutesy.

[scoop85]

A good read.

Nice to see Brandon getting more and more traction, he deserves it.

But can we please kill that childish windowed presentation gimmick?  It was cool once.  Now it's simply irritating and juvenile.  Maybe it's better on iPacifiers but on a PC at work, where we should all be surfing, it's insufferably cutesy.

"get off my lawn"

[Trotsky]

A good read.

Nice to see Brandon getting more and more traction, he deserves it.

But can we please kill that childish windowed presentation gimmick?  It was cool once.  Now it's simply irritating and juvenile.  Maybe it's better on iPacifiers but on a PC at work, where we should all be surfing, it's insufferably cutesy.

"get off my lawn"

Certainly.

[Swampy]

if you trust you will get better then you can stay as a FA and get a better deal. If you dont and Pro means more than a shot at a NC with your friends then you go.

There are times where its clear he is the best player on the ice..  But there are also those periods where you wonder did he even skate a shift.

It may also depend on just what kind of deal he had for Aid at Cornell.. How much debt is he in.

We dont know even know if there will be real school next yr at this point

I know nothing about his personal finances, but in his case, I don't think money will be that big an issue. First, I'm sure Coach Schafer has encouraged him to get insurance. A career-ending injury can happen anywhere, but a good insurance policy makes things less urgent. Second, by the same token, there's sure to be many sources that would invest in Barron futures. Not necessarily as a Stanley Cup winner, but as someone who'll earn a decent NHL salary. This would be particularly so if he holds off and goes the FA route. Third, he's probably in a position to declare his independence from his parents. Unless they're paying Cornell hockey players big bucks these days, he'd probably qualify for need-based financial aid. And there must be a ton of people, from Coach Schafer to faculty to alumni, who'll put in a good word for him.

If everyone is looking out for his welfare, then the best thing would be to make the decision as easy as possible, either way.

The only thing is the Rangers seem to have been treating him really well, as has Cornell and Cornell Hockey. As others have mentioned, if he comes back and goes the FA route in 2021, he could enter the market with a NC & Hobey. (Even without him, I think we're going to be really good next year, if we ever get the chance to play.)

[RichH]

If Barron doesn't sign before the end of his senior season he becomes a free agent. So if the Rangers see him as a likely part of their future, they have real incentive to sign him before his senior year.

I'm pretty sure this is wrong. The Rangers get a certain amount of time after Barron leaves school to sign him before the FA kicks in. That's what happened with Jimmy Vesey, who graduated on May 26th, 2016, but didn't become a free agent until August 15. Vesey did notify the Predators he intended to pursue free agency, and the Preds even traded his rights to the Sabres before the deadline, but Vesey was intent on testing the market, and eventually signed with the Rangers.

If Barron decides to come back for his Senior year, the Rangers will still have ample opportunity to sign him after April 2021. I wanted to make that clear before this conversation continued much further.

[redice]

The only thing is the Rangers seem to have been treating him really well, as has Cornell and Cornell Hockey. As others have mentioned, if he comes back and goes the FA route in 2021, he could enter the market with a NC & Hobey. (Even without him, I think we're going to be really good next year, if we ever get the chance to play.)

I thought I understood the article to say that his draft status applied to the end of his senior year.  I'm understanding that to mean that he could play his senior season, then go to the Rangers as their draft pick.

Am I wrong on this?

[Trotsky]

The only thing is the Rangers seem to have been treating him really well, as has Cornell and Cornell Hockey. As others have mentioned, if he comes back and goes the FA route in 2021, he could enter the market with a NC & Hobey. (Even without him, I think we're going to be really good next year, if we ever get the chance to play.)

I thought I understood the article to say that his draft status applied to the end of his senior year.  I'm understanding that to mean that he could play his senior season, then go to the Rangers as their draft pick.

Am I wrong on this?

Section 8.6(c)(i) of the NHL's Collective Bargaining Agreement:

If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is a bona fide college student at the time of his selection in the Entry Draft, or becomes a bona fide college student prior to the first June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, and remains a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for his services through and including the August 15 following the graduation of his college class. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such Player to retain such rights.

RichH is not only cute; he's correct.

[billhoward]

Fischler has merely been around the New York hockey media scene for a long time. I never got the impresssion that he was a seriously knowledgeable hockey analyst, but in NYC there hasn't historically been a high standard in that regard.

I had the impression Fischler was an old guy - an ancient, I thought - when I was getting the Hockey News circa 1980, but then when you're 18-30 your idea of ancient is somebody in his 50s. He exemplified the flowery writing that allowed newspaper writers (sometimes turned magazine-weekly writers) to make 150 words of thought expand into a 400-word daily column. Fischler turns 88 next week (3/31/32). This is the lede to his most recent piece that pops up in THN:

Without any fear of contradiction, I will firmly and unequivocally state that Leonard 'Red' Kelly was the most unique, underrated and undervalued superstar I have ever seen.

Grantland Rice penned this and it worked, in 1924, and then for half a century we read pale imitations:

Outlined against a blue-gray October sky, the Four Horsemen rode again. In dramatic lore they are known as Famine, Pestilence, Destruction and Death. These are only aliases. Their real names are Stuhldreher, Miller, Crowley and Layden. They formed the crest of the South Bend cyclone before which another fighting Army football team was swept over the precipice at the Polo Grounds yesterday afternoon as 55,000 spectators peered down on the bewildering panorama spread on the green plain below."

[Trotsky]

Rebuttal.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

Rebuttal.

Good article.

As to over-wrought metaphors, leave me "The frozen tundra of Lambeau Field".  You can have the rest, including most of Rice's.

[David Harding]

The only thing is the Rangers seem to have been treating him really well, as has Cornell and Cornell Hockey. As others have mentioned, if he comes back and goes the FA route in 2021, he could enter the market with a NC & Hobey. (Even without him, I think we're going to be really good next year, if we ever get the chance to play.)

I thought I understood the article to say that his draft status applied to the end of his senior year.  I'm understanding that to mean that he could play his senior season, then go to the Rangers as their draft pick.

Am I wrong on this?

Section 8.6(c)(i) of the NHL's Collective Bargaining Agreement:

If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is a bona fide college student at the time of his selection in the Entry Draft, or becomes a bona fide college student prior to the first June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, and remains a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for his services through and including the August 15 following the graduation of his college class. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such Player to retain such rights.

RichH is not only cute; he's correct.

Remember Matt Moulson?  Drafted by Pittsburgh.  Didn't sign with them.  Became a free agent.  Signed with LA as a free agent.

[billhoward]

He was on freaking deadline. For his era, that was decent sportswriting.

[The Rancor]

Rebuttal.

Good article.

As to over-wrought metaphors, leave me "The frozen tundra of Lambeau Field".  You can have the rest, including most of Rice's.

the Penguins had much draft remorse... let him go. Can't call them fools, with their hardware, but I felt it was their loss. Scouts I talked to didn't think so.

[upprdeck]

I dont think anyone thought Matt was gonna have a solid a career as he did.