Vote Barron for Hobey

[scoop85]

These kinds of articles pop up a lot when players are negotiating contracts. The articles usually aren't signed.

Exactly.

Stan Fischler (PBUH) made an entire career out of laundering stuff like this for the clubs.

Ok, I looked up PBUH. Why the reference to Fischler?

He is one of the Rushmore figures of hockey journalism. A friend of mine (and a once contributor here in fact) PA'ed for him and he really was A Giant Who Shat Marble.  

He was the classic Annoying, Irascible New York Jew, making Larry David look friendly, and he churned out metric tons of stuff which means 90% of it was crap (hey, I had a musicologist tell me 90% of Mozart is elevator music cuz that's what you get for a penny a word).  And as mentioned he fellated the owners for his daily bread -- access journalism.  A complex guy.  Certainly one of the greats, but not without faults.

As are we all.

AFAIK Fischler is still alive and kicking

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

These kinds of articles pop up a lot when players are negotiating contracts. The articles usually aren't signed.

Exactly.

Stan Fischler (PBUH) made an entire career out of laundering stuff like this for the clubs.

Ok, I looked up PBUH. Why the reference to Fischler?

He is one of the Rushmore figures of hockey journalism. A friend of mine (and a once contributor here in fact) PA'ed for him and he really was A Giant Who Shat Marble.  

He was the classic Annoying, Irascible New York Jew, making Larry David look friendly, and he churned out metrics tons of stuff which means 90% of it was crap (hey, I had a musicologist tell me 90% of Mozart is elevator music cuz that's what you get for a penny a word).  And as mentioned he fellated the owners for his daily bread -- access journalism.  A complex guy.  Certainly one of the greats, but not without faults.

As are we all.

Never one of my favorite hockey writers.  He seemed more impressed with himself than the people he wrote about.

Have you met:

Keith Obermann
Erin Andrews
Dan Shaughnessy
Bob Ryan
Dick Young
Peter Gammons
Tony Kornheiser
Bryant Gumbel
Michael Wilbon
David Brooks
George Will
Stephen A. Smith
Marv Albert
Mitch Albom
Peter King
Chris Berman

The entire industry has NPD.  Fischler was a prick, too, but at least he did the work.

Fisch-face was being a dick long before most of those guys could write.

[Trotsky]

These kinds of articles pop up a lot when players are negotiating contracts. The articles usually aren't signed.

Exactly.

Stan Fischler (PBUH) made an entire career out of laundering stuff like this for the clubs.

Ok, I looked up PBUH. Why the reference to Fischler?

He is one of the Rushmore figures of hockey journalism. A friend of mine (and a once contributor here in fact) PA'ed for him and he really was A Giant Who Shat Marble.  

He was the classic Annoying, Irascible New York Jew, making Larry David look friendly, and he churned out metrics tons of stuff which means 90% of it was crap (hey, I had a musicologist tell me 90% of Mozart is elevator music cuz that's what you get for a penny a word).  And as mentioned he fellated the owners for his daily bread -- access journalism.  A complex guy.  Certainly one of the greats, but not without faults.

As are we all.

Never one of my favorite hockey writers.  He seemed more impressed with himself than the people he wrote about.

Have you met:

Keith Obermann
Erin Andrews
Dan Shaughnessy
Bob Ryan
Dick Young
Peter Gammons
Tony Kornheiser
Bryant Gumbel
Michael Wilbon
David Brooks
George Will
Stephen A. Smith
Marv Albert
Mitch Albom
Peter King
Chris Berman

The entire industry has NPD.  Fischler was a prick, too, but at least he did the work.

Fisch-face was being a dick long before most of those guys could write.

Half of them still can't.

Obermann (one of the few who can) is excellent in Bojack Horseman, apropos of nothing.

[Beeeej]

These kinds of articles pop up a lot when players are negotiating contracts. The articles usually aren't signed.

Exactly.

Stan Fischler (PBUH) made an entire career out of laundering stuff like this for the clubs.

Ok, I looked up PBUH. Why the reference to Fischler?

He is one of the Rushmore figures of hockey journalism. A friend of mine (and a once contributor here in fact) PA'ed for him and he really was A Giant Who Shat Marble.  

He was the classic Annoying, Irascible New York Jew, making Larry David look friendly, and he churned out metrics tons of stuff which means 90% of it was crap (hey, I had a musicologist tell me 90% of Mozart is elevator music cuz that's what you get for a penny a word).  And as mentioned he fellated the owners for his daily bread -- access journalism.  A complex guy.  Certainly one of the greats, but not without faults.

As are we all.

Never one of my favorite hockey writers.  He seemed more impressed with himself than the people he wrote about.

Have you met:

Keith Obermann
Erin Andrews
Dan Shaughnessy
Bob Ryan
Dick Young
Peter Gammons
Tony Kornheiser
Bryant Gumbel
Michael Wilbon
David Brooks
George Will
Stephen A. Smith
Marv Albert
Mitch Albom
Peter King
Chris Berman

The entire industry has NPD.  Fischler was a prick, too, but at least he did the work.

Fisch-face was being a dick long before most of those guys could write.

Half of them still can't.

Obermann (one of the few who can) is excellent in Bojack Horseman, apropos of nothing.

Olbermann, FWIW.

[jkahn]

These kinds of articles pop up a lot when players are negotiating contracts. The articles usually aren't signed.

Exactly.

Stan Fischler (PBUH) made an entire career out of laundering stuff like this for the clubs.

I remember listening to an interview with Fischler on WBZ radio in Boston the night of the Esposito for Ratelle and Park trade (I was living in Southern NH at the time, have moved there in July for NY).  Fischler went on and on about what a steal the trade was for the Rangers and how Boston get fleeced in the deal.  At that point it became obvious to me that he likes to talk and has no clue what's really happening on the ice.  Esposito was a great scorer but had little inclination to worry about the defensive half of the ice. Ratelle was a better skater, better passer and a two-way player, and even if he wasn't as good as Espo, Brad Park was arguably the 2nd best defensemen in the league to Bobby Orr.  I told my co-workers, particularly the Bruins fans that were bemoaning the loss of Espo, that they would find out they easily got the best of the deal.  After hearing that interview, I never took Fischler seriously.

As a footnote: I think Orr and Park only played about 5 games together, as Orr was hurt most of that season, and the Orr got traded to the Blackhawks where he barely played for a couple of seasons before having to retire.

[Iceberg]

Fischler has merely been around the New York hockey media scene for a long time. I never got the impresssion that he was a seriously knowledgeable hockey analyst, but in NYC there hasn't historically been a high standard in that regard.

[Trotsky]

Olbermann, FWIW.

That you, Keith?  ;-)

[blackwidow]

Alex Whelan (RW) of Quinnipiac signed with the Rangers organization.  Perhaps Barron will stay? 0.0?

[redice]

Alex Whelan (RW) of Quinnipiac signed with the Rangers organization.  Perhaps Barron will stay? 0.0?

Here's hoping!!

[upprdeck]

its not as long as shot as some might think.

[abmarks]

If I were him, no rush to make up my mind since there isn't anywhere to play at the moment.  

If by the end of the summer the pro teams are ready to play again, I'd assume he goes pro.

But if it looks like no hockey restarts anywhere until January 1 (and assuming there is still an NCAA season to be played) it could be a much different choice.

[Jim Hyla]

If I were him, no rush to make up my mind since there isn't anywhere to play at the moment.  

If by the end of the summer the pro teams are ready to play again, I'd assume he goes pro.

But if it looks like no hockey restarts anywhere until January 1 (and assuming there is still an NCAA season to be played) it could be a much different choice.

Smartest thought so far. Why leave school if you don't have anywhere else to go? Even if he signs up for the fall term and then the pros start, he can leave.

The only thing that could change the thoughts for me would be if his situation, draft, Rangers, etc. would change with time.

I don't know enough about the pro draft and signings to know whether his situation changes over time.

Anyone out there know the rules enough to help me?

[scoop85]

If I were him, no rush to make up my mind since there isn't anywhere to play at the moment.  

If by the end of the summer the pro teams are ready to play again, I'd assume he goes pro.

But if it looks like no hockey restarts anywhere until January 1 (and assuming there is still an NCAA season to be played) it could be a much different choice.

Smartest thought so far. Why leave school if you don't have anywhere else to go? Even if he signs up for the fall term and then the pros start, he can leave.

The only thing that could change the thoughts for me would be if his situation, draft, Rangers, etc. would change with time.

I don't know enough about the pro draft and signings to know whether his situation changes over time.

Anyone out there know the rules enough to help me?

If Barron doesn't sign before the end of his senior season he becomes a free agent. So if the Rangers see him as a likely part of their future, they have real incentive to sign him before his senior year.

[upprdeck]

if you trust you will get better then you can stay as a FA and get a better deal. If you dont and Pro means more than a shot at a NC with your friends then you go.

There are times where its clear he is the best player on the ice..  But there are also those periods where you wonder did he even skate a shift.

It may also depend on just what kind of deal he had for Aid at Cornell.. How much debt is he in.

We dont know even know if there will be real school next yr at this point

[Trotsky]

If I were him, no rush to make up my mind since there isn't anywhere to play at the moment.  

If by the end of the summer the pro teams are ready to play again, I'd assume he goes pro.

But if it looks like no hockey restarts anywhere until January 1 (and assuming there is still an NCAA season to be played) it could be a much different choice.

Smartest thought so far. Why leave school if you don't have anywhere else to go? Even if he signs up for the fall term and then the pros start, he can leave.

The only thing that could change the thoughts for me would be if his situation, draft, Rangers, etc. would change with time.

I don't know enough about the pro draft and signings to know whether his situation changes over time.

Anyone out there know the rules enough to help me?

If Barron doesn't sign before the end of his senior season he becomes a free agent. So if the Rangers see him as a likely part of their future, they have real incentive to sign him before his senior year.

True although conversely this also starts to work for Barron staying at a certain point.  Say we're in October, the 2020-21 season is on hold, the Rangers are probably starting to run into a little cash crunch.   Up to then the only thing they've invested in Barron is the pick.  Do they sink enough into an offer to dissuade him from playing out his senior year and hitting FA?

Barron would be a Hobey finalist who didn't win poised to return and possibly win it this time.  That would be worth something on the market.

I dunno.  It starts to seem possible but the timing has to be perfect: long enough to make it worth his while, but not so long that it then wipes out the 2021 season too.