Rankings

Started by Jim Hyla, October 10, 2016, 06:45:27 PM

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Trotsky

We are far more likely to draw Yale if we move above 3rd, but the odds of that are pretty low (16% combined).

andyw2100

Unless significant upsets occur the last weekend, we are destined to finish 3rd. Harvard would have to lose twice at home, Union would have to lose twice while we sweep. Not sure I see Colgate beating Union. The other likely thing to happen is that Clarkson will finish 6th with St Lawrence and Quin finishing 4th and 5th with the possibility of that order reversed. Thus, now that we have secured a first round bye and most likely 3rd, the conclusion is that our quarterfinal match up is with Clarkson. Honestly, while we tied them last night, it was an away game and senior night for them. Of all possible match ups, in my opinion, this is preferable to Quinn or Yale who really bottled us up defensively recently.
In one week we will see if I know what the hell I am talking about[/quote]

The above is not quite right.

We need to gain three points on Harvard and three points on Union to take first.

Harvard could lose and tie, Union could tie or lose on Friday night and if we win both games, we would take first.

If Harvard does lose twice, and Union loses Friday night, we could take first with a win over RPI and a tie with Union.

Jim Hyla

No games till next Thursday, so I'm posting the PWR and Krach now and I'll add the Polls tomorrow, even though they're meaningless.


[b][u]Men's Division I PairWise Rankings[/u][/b]

Rank Team        PWR W-L-T Win % Win % Rank RPI RPI Rank
1 Denver        59 22-6-4 .7500 2 .6033 1
2 Minnesota-Duluth58 19-5-6 .7333 3 .6032 2
[b][u]3 Harvard        57 20-5-2 .7778 1 .5838* 3[/u][/b]
4 Minnesota 56 20-8-2 .7000 6 .5797* 4
5 Western Michigan55 18-8-4 .6667 11 .5727 5
6 Boston Univer 54 20-9-3 .6719 9t .5634 6
[b][u]7 Union        53 22-8-2 .7188 4 .5567* 7[/u][/b]
8 Mass-Lowell 51 20-9-3 .6719 9t .5560 8
9t Providence 50 18-9-5 .6406 12t .5542 9
[b][u]9t Cornell        50 17-6-4 .7037 5 .5535 10[/u][/b]
11 Penn State 49 18-8-2 .6786 8 .5519* 11
12 St. Cloud State 48 15-14-1 .5167 29 .5497 12
13 Ohio State 47 16-8-6 .6333 14 .5471* 13
14 North Dakota 46 15-13-3 .5323 28 .5466 14
15t Air Force 45 21-8-5 .6912 7 .5445* 15
15t Notre Dame 45 18-9-5 .6406 12t .5418 16
17t Vermont        43 17-10-5 .6094 18 .5415 17
17t Boston College 43 18-12-4 .5882 21 .5410 18
19 Omaha        41 15-12-5 .5469 26t .5391 19
20 Wisconsin 40 17-10-1 .6250 15t .5380 20
21t Northeastern 38 15-12-5 .5469 26t .5298 21
[b][u]21t St. Lawrence 38 15-10-7 .5781 23 .5286 22
21t Quinnipiac 38 17-13-2 .5625 25 .5184 23[/u][/b]

[b][u]KRACH: Division I Men[/u][/b]

Rank Team        Rating RRWP  Win % Rk W-L-T   Win % Win Ratio SOS Rk SOS
1 Denver        513.6 .8254 2 22-6-4 0.7500 3.000 6 178.2
2 Minnesota-Duluth509.5 .8243 3 19-5-6 0.7333 2.750 2 192.5
[b][u]3 Harvard        377.3 .7783 1 20-5-2 0.7778 3.500 23 114.1[/u][/b]
4 Minnesota 320.6 .7502 6 20-8-2 0.7000 2.333 11 141.7
5 Western Michigan318.0 .7488 11 18-8-4 0.6667 2.000 7 162.9
6 Boston Univer 293.4 .7340 9t 20-9-3 0.6719 2.048 9 146.7
7 Mass-Lowell 261.6 .7122 9t 20-9-3 0.6719 2.048 15 130.8
[b][u]8 Union        248.2 .7019 4 22-8-2 0.7188 2.556 36 100.3
9 Cornell        246.9 .7008 5 17-6-4 0.7037 2.375 32 107.6[/u][/b]
10 Providence 242.5 .6973 12t 18-9-5 0.6406 1.783 12 138.6
11 Penn State 239.8 .6950 8 18-8-2 0.6786 2.111 22 116.8
12 Notre Dame 220.2 .6776 12t 18-9-5 0.6406 1.783 16 125.8
13 North Dakota 217.2 .6747 28 15-13-3 0.5323 1.138 3 191.6
14 Vermont        209.0 .6668 18 17-10-5 0.6094 1.560 13 135.9
15 Boston College 200.8 .6583 21 18-12-4 0.5882 1.429 10 142.1
16 St. Cloud State 195.5 .6525 29 15-14-1 0.5167 1.069 5 183.3
17 Omaha        193.4 .6503 26t 15-12-5 0.5469 1.207 8 161.2
18 Ohio State 192.2 .6489 14 16-8-6 0.6333 1.727 25 113.4
19 Wisconsin 191.5 .6481 15t 17-10-1 0.6250 1.667 21 117.0
[b][u]20 St. Lawrence 164.4 .6147 23 15-10-7 0.5781 1.370 18 121.2[/u][/b]

[b][u]Women's National Collegiate PairWise Rankings[/u][/b]

Rank Team       PWR W-L-T Win % Win % Rank RPI RPI Rank
1 Wisconsin 35 27-2-3 .8906 2 .6639* 2
[b][u]2 Clarkson 34 25-4-5 .8088 4 .6144* 3[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota-Duluth33 22-5-5 .7656 7t .6127* 4
[b][u]4 St. Lawrence 32 24-4-4 .8125 3 .6100* 5[/u][/b]
5 Minnesota 31 23-5-4 .7812 5 .6076* 6
6 Boston College 30 22-5-5 .7656 7t .5953* 7
[b][u]7 Cornell        29 17-7-5 .6724 11t .5644* 8
8 Princeton 28 18-8-3 .6724 11t .5560* 9[/u][/b]
9 Robert Morris 27 20-4-6 .7667 6 .5542* 10
[b][u]10 Quinnipiac 26 20-8-6 .6765 10 .5525* 11
11 Colgate        25 22-9-3 .6912 9 .5516* 12[/u][/b]
12 Northeastern 24 19-11-3 .6212 14 .5442 14
13 Boston Univer 23 16-10-6 .5938 15 .5457 13
14 North Dakota 22 14-14-6 .5000 20t .5181 16

[b][u]KRACH: National Collegiate Women[/u][/b]

Rank Team      Rating RRWP Win % Rk W-L-T Win % Win Ratio SOS Rk SOS
1 Wisconsin 1663. .9307 1 27-2-3 0.8906 8.143 1 229.4
2 Minnesota-Duluth710.5 .8554 6t 22-5-5 0.7656 3.267 2 227.3
3 Minnesota 646.7 .8443 4 23-5-4 0.7812 3.571 3 190.2
[b][u]4 Clarkson 611.1 .8373 3 25-4-5 0.8088 4.231 6 152.8
5 St. Lawrence 513.5 .8142 2 24-4-4 0.8125 4.333 9 126.0[/u][/b]
6 Boston College 385.3 .7713 6t 22-5-5 0.7656 3.267 10 123.3
[b][u]7 Cornell        245.3 .6915 10 17-7-5 0.6724 2.053 11 122.7
8 Princeton 203.1 .6542 10 18-8-3 0.6724 2.053 18 101.6
9 Quinnipiac 199.4 .6504 9 20-8-6 0.6765 2.091 20 97.60
10 Colgate        191.7 .6422 8 22-9-3 0.6912 2.238 21 87.85[/u][/b]
11 Robert Morris 179.8 .6289 5 20-4-6 0.7667 3.286 33 57.37
12 Northeastern 175.1 .6233 12 19-11-3 0.6212 1.640 16 108.4
13 Boston Univer 174.6 .6227 13 16-10-6 0.5938 1.462 12 120.9
14 North Dakota 154.9 .5971 17 14-14-6 0.5000 1.000 5 154.9

Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/krach/d-i-women/#ixzz4Z9gx0aH1




"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005

RichH

87% chance of getting into the NCAA field according to today's CHN simulation.

https://twitter.com/chnews/status/833423715346108418

Beeeej

Quote from: RichH87% chance of getting into the NCAA field according to today's CHN simulation.

https://twitter.com/chnews/status/833423715346108418

I'm loving the 0.1% probability of some series of events that would result in us finishing #3 in the Pairwise - especially because it certainly has to mean us making a 6-0-0 run from here through Lake Placid (along with other external factors, obvs).
Beeeej, Esq.

"Cornell isn't an organization.  It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
   - Steve Worona

andyw2100

Quote from: BeeeejI'm loving the 0.1% probability of some series of events that would result in us finishing #3 in the Pairwise - especially because it certainly has to mean us making a 6-0-0 run from here through Lake Placid (along with other external factors, obvs).

And a 35% chance that we end up a 2-seed or higher.

And according to this: http://playoffstatus.com/ncaahockey/ncaahockeytournseedprob.html a 38% chance of being a two-seed or higher!

Dutchman

I have heard that there is no tie-breaker for the Cleary Cup. Can teams share it? Do you know if this is correct? If it is correct, is there a mathematical possibility that Cornell, Union, and Harvard could share the Cleary Cup?

marty

Quote from: DutchmanI have heard that there is no tie-breaker for the Cleary Cup. Can teams share it? Do you know if this is correct? If it is correct, is there a mathematical possibility that Cornell, Union, and Harvard could share the Cleary Cup?

When it comes to Cleary it's all a pissing contest.

;-) Ptui!
"When we came off, [Bitz] said, 'Thank God you scored that goal,'" Moulson said. "He would've killed me if I didn't."

Trotsky

Quote from: DutchmanI have heard that there is no tie-breaker for the Cleary Cup.
This makes no sense to me.  Why not just give it solely to the 1 seed?

Jim Hyla

Quote from: DutchmanI have heard that there is no tie-breaker for the Cleary Cup. Can teams share it? Do you know if this is correct? If it is correct, is there a mathematical possibility that Cornell, Union, and Harvard could share the Cleary Cup?

In case you don't understand, essentially none of us here care 2 cents about the Cleary Cup. That and $1 will get you a cup of coffee at McDonalds. It has no meaning at all. Now, being the number one seed is different, but getting a cup, well................::thud::

To pick seedng in the case of ties, you can find the rules at the ECAC site, but I'll do it for you.


Seeding for championship competition is based on total points accumulated during league contests. In the event teams are tied in the final regular-season standings, the following tiebreakers (listed in order of application) shall be used to determine seeding. (Note: Only League games apply):

Comparison of game results between tied teams (head to head).
Wins.
Comparison of results of games against the top four teams.
Comparison of results of games against the top eight teams.
Goal differential in head-to-head competition.
Goal differential in games against the top four teams.
Goal differential in games against the top eight teams.

In the case of ties among three or more schools, the criteria will be used in order until a team, or teams, is separated from the pack. At that point, the process will begin anew to break the "new" tie. In other words, when a four-way tie becomes a three-way tie, the three-way tie is treated as a "new" tie and the process begins with the first criterion.
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005

ugarte

Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: DutchmanI have heard that there is no tie-breaker for the Cleary Cup.
This makes no sense to me.  Why not just give it solely to the 1 seed?
They award co-champs for everything in the Ivy league too, which is good because I wouldn't have gotten to watch us win a football title as an undergrad if there was a tiebreaker.

Jim Hyla

For what it's worth, here are today's polls.


[b][u]USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
February 20, 2017[/u][/b]

Team       (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Denver          (33) 22- 6-4 981 2
2 Minnesota-Duluth  (14) 19- 5-6 954 1
[b][u]3 Harvard          ( 3) 20- 5-2 913 3[/u][/b]
4 Minnesota 20- 8-2 831 5
5 Massachusetts-Lowell 20- 9-3 734 6
6 Boston University 20- 9-3 733 4
[b][u]7 Union        22- 8-2 709 7[/u][/b]
8 Western Michigan 18- 8-4 695 8
[b][u]9 Cornell        17- 6-4 555 12[/u][/b]
10 Providence 18- 9-5 498 10
11 Penn State 18- 8-2 454 9
12 Ohio State 16- 8-6 447 14
13 Notre Dame 18- 9-5 412 15
14 Boston College 18-12-4 388 11
15 Vermont        17-10-5 289 16
16 North Dakota 15-13-3 262 13
17 Air Force 21- 8-5 170 19
18 St. Cloud State 15-14-1 154 18
19 Wisconsin 17-10-1 136 20
[b][u]20 St. Lawrence 15-10-7 74 17[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: Bemidji State 34, Omaha 33, [b][u]Quinnipiac 17[/u][/b],
Canisius 16, Michigan Tech 7, Minnesota State 3, Northeastern 1.

[b][u]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll
February 20, 2017[/u][/b]

Team              Points (First) Last Poll Record
1 University of Denver 494 (21) 2 22-6-4
2 Minnesota Duluth 485 (13) 1 19-5-6
[b][u]3 Harvard University 445 3 20-5-2[/u][/b]
4 University of Minnesota 403 5 20-8-2
5 Boston University 353 4 20-9-3
6 Western Michigan Univer 316 9 18-8-4
7 UMass Lowell        305 6 20-9-3
[b][u]8 Union College        303 7 22-8-2
9 Cornell University 201 13 17-6-4[/u][/b]
10 Providence College 187 10 18-9-5
11 Penn State University 163 8 18-8-2
12 Ohio State University 140 14 16-8-6
13 Boston College         97 11 18-12-4
14 University of Notre Dame 73 NR 18-9-5
15 Univer of North Dakota 49 12 15-13-3
Others receiving votes: St. Cloud State University 29, University of Vermont 19,
Air Force Academy 12, S[b][u]t. Lawrence University 4[/u][/b], Bemidji State University 1, University of Wisconsin 1.

[b][u]USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll
February 20, 2017[/u][/b]

Team      (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Wisconsin (15) 27- 2-4 150 1
2 Minnesota-Duluth 22- 5-5 131 2
[b][u]3 Clarkson 25- 4-5 115 3[/u][/b]
4 Minnesota 23- 5-5 112 4
[b][u]5 St. Lawrence 24- 4-4 92 5[/u][/b]
6 Boston College 23- 5-5 74 6
[b][u]7 Cornell        17- 7-5 58 7[/u][/b]
8 Princeton 18- 8-3 37 9
9 Robert Morris 20- 4-6 28 8
[b][u]10 Quinnipiac 20- 8-6 23 10[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: Boston University 3, [b][u]Colgate[/u][/b] 1, Northeastern 1.

Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/#ixzz4ZGVGFsBS



"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005

Hooking

Well said. Winning is everything. 6-0-0!

KenP

Quote from: HookingWell said. Winning is everything. 6-0-0!
Might as well go all the way and cheer for 10-0-0 and REALLY finish the season in style.  ::cheer::

Beeeej

Quote from: KenP
Quote from: HookingWell said. Winning is everything. 6-0-0!
Might as well go all the way and cheer for 10-0-0 and REALLY finish the season in style.  ::cheer::

At that point, I don't give a flying expletive where it lands us in the PWR.
Beeeej, Esq.

"Cornell isn't an organization.  It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
   - Steve Worona