Lacrosse polls 2013

[billhoward]

Week of April 8, Cornell is second to Maryland in both polls.

Coaches' poll 4/8/13

1 Maryland, 194 points, 6 first place votes
2 Cornell, 190 points, 3 first place votes
3 North Carolina, 173
4 Denver, 169
5 Notre Dame, 153
Syracuse is 7, Princeton 10, Penn 14, Yale 15, and the Virginia team we struggled to beat is now out of the top 20.

Nike/Inside Lacrosse poll 4/8/13)

1 Maryland, 456 points, 19 first place votes
2 Cornell, 435 points, 4 first place votes
3 Denver
4 Notre Dame
5 Loyola
Syracuse is 7, Princeton 9, Penn is 16, Yale is 17 and Virginia is also out of the IL top 20.

Maryland and Cornell are the only one-loss teams in the top 20. Three top 10 teams have three losses and Duke has four.


Karnak the Kessenich Top 20
The Inside Lacrosse columnist has Cornell struggling to hold onto No. 5 in his poll.
1 Maryland ("wins over Loyola and Duke as significant resume ammunition" )
2 Duke ("The Devils are hot now" )
3 North Carolina ("The Heels have won five straight ... attack is as good as advertised" )
4 Denver ("The Pioneers are 9-2 with wins over Duke, Lehigh, Penn, and Ohio State" ... snuck past Bellarmine. Unimpressive." )
5 Cornell ("The Big Red (10-1) have only beaten two teams in my Top 20 — Yale and Penn. A two-goal win over Harvard by a 14-12 score has me questioning their defense, which has given up 11 goals to Hobart, 11 to UVa, 10 to Yale and 12 to Harvard." ) Rather than mention the juggernaut on attack, he types in their stats: "Rob Pannell has 59 points. Steve Mock has 37 goals. Connor Buczek (17, 13), Max Van Bourgondien (19, 6), Matt Donovan (14, 6) and Connor English (11, 6) have the Big Red shooting 32%."

Dump-on-the-Yankees week continues with thoughts on No. 9 Princeton: "The Tigers are 6-3 with losses to UNC, Penn and Syracuse, surrendering 16, 11 and 13 goals against in those setbacks. Wins over Hofstra, Hopkins and Yale doesn't scream at-large. Saturday's loss to Cuse once again exposed the Tigers liabilities on defense. Sliding to non-threats, while creating offense for the opponent is a recipe for disaster. I see this trend every week: Why are teams sliding upfield to non-threats while leaving more dangerous men open in the slot?" [edit add: You mean doing like Notre Dame defenders did in 2010, staying home in OT vs. Duke and watching the faceoff guy sail in to win the national championship?]

Among teams 11-20, he devotes twice as much space to No. 19 Johns Hopkins, recent loser to Albany. Wonder why all the ink?

[Redscore]

Never mind that Duke struggled to beat Harvard as well.  The guy is a seriously biased loudmouth.  But why waste time worrying about his opinion.  The selection criteria has become so tilted towards objective factors, which by the way I don't really like, that it doesn't matter what someone like Quint thinks.

[ugarte]

Accusations of bias are boring. The fact is that we've been nervous about Cornell's close games and collapse against Bucknell too. Some polls place Cornell at #2, which is great, but it seems to be a function of parity, not Cornell standing out. They keep losing faceoffs and the constant lack of possession is putting a strain on the defense.

Neither a national title or a first round NCAA loss would be much of a shock.

[Johnny 5]

Accusations of bias are boring. The fact is that we've been nervous about Cornell's close games and collapse against Bucknell too. Some polls place Cornell at #2, which is great, but it seems to be a function of parity, not Cornell standing out. They keep losing faceoffs and the constant lack of possession is putting a strain on the defense.

Neither a national title or a first round NCAA loss would be much of a shock.

Agreed.
Wednesday's tilt against Syracuse will tell a lot.

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t147/Coelacanth64/TheTeamTSNBNamed_100.jpg

::scared::

[Redscore]

Accusations of bias are boring. The fact is that we've been nervous about Cornell's close games and collapse against Bucknell too. Some polls place Cornell at #2, which is great, but it seems to be a function of parity, not Cornell standing out. They keep losing faceoffs and the constant lack of possession is putting a strain on the defense.

Neither a national title or a first round NCAA loss would be much of a shock.

I'm sorry that I bored you.  I was not accusing him of anything. Just stating my opinion that I think he is biased.  An accusation assumes that I think he is doing something bad whereas all I was saying was that I couldn't care what he says and that it doesn't matter what he says given the more "supposedly" objective criteria these days.
Agree that any result is possible this year and that goes for all the top teams.

[billhoward]

Accusations of bias are boring. The fact is that we've been nervous about Cornell's close games and collapse against Bucknell too. Some polls place Cornell at #2, which is great, but it seems to be a function of parity, not Cornell standing out. They keep losing faceoffs and the constant lack of possession is putting a strain on the defense. Neither a national title or a first round NCAA loss would be much of a shock.

Hey, everyone needs a chance to vent. especially when it's easy pickings. Kessenich columns are low-hanging fruit.

[edit add:] Notice you never see QK and the Lax Swami in the same room at the same time. These people believe if a shot past the end line doesn't wind up in the Chesapeake, it's not real lacrosse.

[ugarte]

Accusations of bias are boring. The fact is that we've been nervous about Cornell's close games and collapse against Bucknell too. Some polls place Cornell at #2, which is great, but it seems to be a function of parity, not Cornell standing out. They keep losing faceoffs and the constant lack of possession is putting a strain on the defense.

Neither a national title or a first round NCAA loss would be much of a shock.

I'm sorry that I bored you.  I was not accusing him of anything. Just stating my opinion that I think he is biased.  An accusation assumes that I think he is doing something bad whereas all I was saying was that I couldn't care what he says and that it doesn't matter what he says given the more "supposedly" objective criteria these days.
Agree that any result is possible this year and that goes for all the top teams.

Apology accepted. Let's not make this a habit, though.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

To quote my favorite cheer from the Cornell-UVa game in Foxboro:  "Suck it, Quint!"

[Ivyman]

Notice you never see QK and the Lax Swami in the same room at the same time.

Swami always leaves if Quint arrives.  There's a backstory involving Ms. Bimbette...  Nuff said.

[ugarte]

Notice you never see QK and the Lax Swami in the same room at the same time.

Swami always leaves if Quint arrives.  There's a backstory involving Ms. Bimbette...  Nuff said.

That is not Nuff said. Don't drop a bomb like that and walk away.

[margolism]

Wow, polls are screwy this week.

We are #7
Maryland #4

Meet your new #1....Denver

[Trotsky]

Wow, polls are screwy this week.

We are #7
Maryland #4

Meet your new #1....Denver

West coast bias.

[billhoward]

USILA Coaches Poll via http://insidelacrosse.com/rankpoll/d1usila/2013-04-15
#1 Maryland loses to #15 drops 3 positions. #15 up 4 positions.
#2 Cornell loses to #7 drops 5 positions. #7 up 2 positions
More first place votes for the second place team

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Rank    Team (record)                   Votes   Firsts
1 University of Denver (10 - 2) 193 3
2 University N Carolina (9 - 3) 191 5
3 University Notre Dame (9 - 2) 175 2
4 University of Maryland (8 - 2) 162
[b]5 Syracuse University (9 - 2) 161[/b]
6 Duke University (10 - 4) 155
[b]7 Cornell University (10 - 2) 142[/b]
8 Loyola University (9 - 3) 133
9 Penn State University (9 - 3) 116
10 University at Albany (9 - 3) 103
11 Johns Hopkins (7 - 4) 95
12 Ohio State University (8 - 3) 71
[b]12 Princeton University (7 - 4) 71[/b]
[b]12 Yale University (7 - 3) 71
15 Bucknell University (10 - 3) 70[/b]
16 Lehigh University (9 - 4) 68
17 Drexel University (9 - 3) 54
[b]18 University Pennsylvania (6 - 4) 29[/b]
19 Villanova University (5 - 6) 16
20 Hofstra University (7 - 5) 9
Cornell and opponents bolded

We've played 5 top 20 teams and are 2-2 now with Princeton to come. Virginia was top 20 when we played them; doesn't count now. We should have played Albany ("University at Albany" in the poll text) not Siena. Army though not in top 20 would have been a better NYS option.

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Nike/Coaces poll http://insidelacrosse.com/rankpoll/d1media/2013-04-15
1 Denver
2 Notre Dame
3 Syracuse
4 Maryland
5 N Carolina
6 Cornell
7 Duke
8 Loyola
9 Penn State
10 Albany


[Josh '99]

Wow, polls are screwy this week.

We are #7
Maryland #4

Meet your new #1....Denver

My initial reaction was to snort and blame it on media love for Tierney, but looking at it a little more, they're 10-2 against a tough schedule (their opponents thus far are a combined 83-53), with wins over Duke and defending champs Loyola; their only losses are to 9-3 Penn State (Tambroni has them coming along well) and to Notre Dame in overtime.  It pisses me off to say it, but they're pretty good.  

That being said, Laxpower's rankings still have Maryland and Cornell 1-2.

[billhoward]

Wow, polls are screwy this week.

We are #7
Maryland #4

Meet your new #1....Denver

My initial reaction was to snort and blame it on media love for Tierney, but looking at it a little more, they're 10-2 against a tough schedule (their opponents thus far are a combined 83-53), with wins over Duke and defending champs Loyola; their only losses are to 9-3 Penn State (Tambroni has them coming along well) and to Notre Dame in overtime.  It pisses me off to say it, but they're pretty good.  

That being said, Laxpower's rankings still have Maryland and Cornell 1-2.

The same Laxpower computer ranking has our final two RS opponents Brown at #23 and Princeton at #5: http://www.laxpower.com/update13/binmen/rating01.php