Should He Stay or Should He Go

[French Rage]

Furthermore, CBS carries much of the "March Sadness"; preempting many of the TV shows that my wife & I prefer to watch.

Noooo, not the Chuck Lorre sitcoms and the procedural crime dramas!

[Jim Hyla]

.....But I am also annoyed by the tremendous amount of hype and coverage that the sport gets. Being something of a contrarian this makes me dislike basketball more.......

That pretty much sums it up for me...   Furthermore, CBS carries much of the "March Sadness"; preempting many of the TV shows that my wife & I prefer to watch.     That adds to my hatred for NCAA squeakball.    It cannot end soon enough for me.

I don't live in Syracuse.    But, I live in upstate NY and cannot get away from Syracuse basketball.   That only makes it all worse.   I cannot imagine the pain that Jim must be feeling each year at this time.

The only consolation these days, as opposed to the early days of my CU Hockey fandom (mid-1960's), we now have reaasonal coverage of the NCAA hockey tournament.    In the 60's & 70's, it was difficult to even find out who won the damned tournament.   Even the Ithaca Joural shut down their college hockey coverage when Cornell stopped playing.   It was disgraceful and very frustrating.     Thank God for the internet!!

That's why there was "The Intercollegiate HockeyNewsletter". Thank you Don T. Birkmayer, even if you produced it in Troy. He lives in Ithaca now.:-D

[Trotsky]

That's why there was "The Intercollegiate HockeyNewsletter". Thank you Don T. Birkmayer, even if you produced it in Troy. He lives in Ithaca now.:-D

The IHNL was the inspiration for TBRW.  I loved that old photocopied rag and wish I had a complete set from all 33 (?) years.

[Trotsky]

The only consolation these days, as opposed to the early days of my CU Hockey fandom (mid-1960's), we now have reaasonal coverage of the NCAA hockey tournament.    In the 60's & 70's, it was difficult to even find out who won the damned tournament.

An exception to this was the Boston Globe, who did yeoman's work covering college hockey.  If the Globe ever put their archives fully online and searchable all of the missing data from the early years would be available (although, on the other hand, all of my free time would be lost for a decade).

One of the funniest parts of Globe coverage was that the order that results came in, by edition, was: (1) Boston area, (2) east and CCHA, (3) WCHA and club hockey teams from Singapore, (4) the North Country.  Like postal route maps from the 19th century, Clarkson and SLU were surrounded  by several concentric isobars and pushed them into Transylvania as far as game results.

[redice]

The only consolation these days, as opposed to the early days of my CU Hockey fandom (mid-1960's), we now have reaasonal coverage of the NCAA hockey tournament.    In the 60's & 70's, it was difficult to even find out who won the damned tournament.

An exception to this was the Boston Globe, who did yeoman's work covering college hockey.  If the Globe ever put their archives fully online and searchable all of the missing data from the early years would be available (although, on the other hand, all of my free time would be lost for a decade).

One of the funniest parts of Globe coverage was that the order that results came in, by edition, was: (1) Boston area, (2) east and CCHA, (3) WCHA and club hockey teams from Singapore, (4) the North Country.  Like postal route maps from the 19th century, Clarkson and SLU were surrounded  by several concentric isobars and pushed them into Transylvania as far as game results.

Yeah, I used to love reading The Globe when in Boston for the ECAC's.....   But, living in small-town America, many newspapers (such as The Globe) were really hard to find here.  The local paper didn't even know how to spell the word "hockey" until professional hockey moved into town 10-12 years ago.    30 miles from Ithaca and Cornell Hockey was rarely mentioned......

I did subscribe to "The Intercollegiate HockeyNewsletter" for a while...   I think I "discovered" it at the end of its run.   I didn't realize it was around for 33 years.  Wow!!

Thanks for giving me a pass on my "reaasonal coverage" typo.....  I just noticed it....  How many ways could I butcher the word "reasonable"?

[Jim Hyla]

That's why there was "The Intercollegiate HockeyNewsletter". Thank you Don T. Birkmayer, even if you produced it in Troy. He lives in Ithaca now.:-D

The IHNL was the inspiration for TBRW.  I loved that old photocopied rag and wish I had a complete set from all 33 (?) years.

1953-93 although Mr. Birkmayer didn't run it the last few years. I have a pretty complete set from late 60s on. They are also at the libraries of RPI and interestingly, UNH. I don't know anywhere else.

[Beeeej]

Absolutely ridiculous overreaction to my last post.  And it's not the disagreement that bothers me; it's the trite smartass "no one can possibly be this dumb, he must be a troll" comments that twelve-year-olds go around posting on the internet.  

I never said at any point I wouldn't follow the team if they were bad.  I said I wouldn't follow them as much, and I wouldn't commit as much to them.  
Are you honestly telling me that you'd go to exactly as many games and post on this forum exactly as much and sit through exactly as many Redcast broadcasts if Cornell were .400 instead of .650?  Do you honestly think nearly as many people would pack Lynah in the first place if Cornell hadn't won so much in the past?  You're delusional if you think so.  I'm not travelling 8 hours to watch a shitty team play, I'll tell you that much, and I doubt there are many here who would.  I'm never going to stop following Cornell hockey, but I am sure as hell not putting in as much effort as when they are actually good.  

Who here followed women's hockey until they got good these past four seasons?  5% of who follow them now?  What a bunch of hypocrites.

I've had season tickets since 1988, and when I was living in Ithaca, I attended every game I was physically able to attend - home and away - including the 1992-93 and 1993-94 horrorshow seasons. I still renew my season tickets every year despite living in New York City since 2000, and I attend when I can, though it has gotten increasingly difficult. But that doesn't really answer the question you're asking, which is whether all people behave the way I behave or the way I think they "should" behave, and the answer to that is obviously "no." There have been stretches in Cornell hockey history when there were pretty significant holes in the stands, and I'm not at all surprised that fewer people attend when the team isn't as good - but I absolutely stand by my opinion that those who failed to show up weren't really "Cornell hockey" fans, they were just "Cornell hockey winning" fans. And I absolutely stand by my opinion that one of those types of fan is better than the other.

Also, I was doing radio color commentary for the women's hockey team at a time when adding a color commentator was often the difference in having a minyan in the building.

Maybe I'm just not as efficient as you are when it comes to investing my sports fandom hours, or something.

Or maybe I just know that sticking with something I care about through tough times will make the triumphs all the more sweet for having reached them.

[Trotsky]

Viewing the abuse being heaped on Our Fair Conference on the USCHO threads, perhaps we should all make peace and present a united front.

We are all Lynah Faithful.  Those of us who stress the positives are not mindless cheerleaders, and those of us who stress the negatives are not facetimers or trolls.  There are, in the grand scheme of things, precious few of us, and we cannot afford internal purges over who is the better fan.

[profudge]

+++    I agree.

[Towerroad]

Viewing the abuse being heaped on Our Fair Conference on the USCHO threads, perhaps we should all make peace and present a united front.

We are all Lynah Faithful.  Those of us who stress the positives are not mindless cheerleaders, and those of us who stress the negatives are not facetimers or trolls.  There are, in the grand scheme of things, precious few of us, and we cannot afford internal purges over who is the better fan.

LGR!

[cbuckser]

Bringing this back on topic (but at risk of breaking the united front), as I watch George Gwozdecky's press conference, I am further convinced of the inanity of firing Mike Schafer. Unrealistic expectations yield atrocious decisions.

[css228]

Bringing this back on topic (but at risk of breaking the united front), as I watch George Gwozdecky's press conference, I am further convinced of the inanity of firing Mike Schafer. Unrealistic expectations yield atrocious decisions.

I'm actually on the Fire Schafer, hire Gwozdecky bandwagon. I wouldn't fire Schafer without a coach I thought of as an an improvement, but lo and behold...

[ugarte]

Prediction based on nothing except a feeling that it makes sense is that Denver brings back Appert and RPI calls Gwozdecky.

[Scersk '97]

Bringing this back on topic (but at risk of breaking the united front), as I watch George Gwozdecky's press conference, I am further convinced of the inanity of firing Mike Schafer. Unrealistic expectations yield atrocious decisions.

Absolutely stunning.  The program had been at best mediocre since Armstrong until Gwozdecky came aboard.  In his first year, they made the tourney after a nine-year absence; later on, they won two national championships; for the past few years, the team has been performing at the kind of level that most ADs would probably dream about, the NCAA disappointments notwithstanding.  Honestly, the only comparables would be Michigan firing Berenson, or Minnesota firing Lucia after keeping Wooger on for so many years.

Come to think of it, why did BU keep that Parker guy around for so long?  What an idiot he was.  Not enough Natties!

[Rita]

Bringing this back on topic (but at risk of breaking the united front), as I watch George Gwozdecky's press conference, I am further convinced of the inanity of firing Mike Schafer. Unrealistic expectations yield atrocious decisions.

Absolutely stunning.  The program had been at best mediocre since Armstrong until Gwozdecky came aboard.  In his first year, they made the tourney after a nine-year absence; later on, they won two national championships; for the past few years, the team has been performing at the kind of level that most ADs would probably dream about, the NCAA disappointments notwithstanding.  Honestly, the only comparables would be Michigan firing Berenson, or Minnesota firing Lucia after keeping Wooger on for so many years.

Come to think of it, why did BU keep that Parker guy around for so long?  What an idiot he was.  Not enough Natties!

Isn't losing to Yale, from the EZAC, a firable offense?  ::bolt::