MSG Hockey v. Michigan

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If we were to have Cornell-BU alternating with Cornell-Wisc, I'd plan my Thanksgiving around it every year.

I just don't believe people would tire of it. I believe it would become a tradition.

In New Orleans, Southern plays Grambling in football every year on the Saturday after Thanksgiving. That's one tough ticket to get; think Alabama-Auburn. Because it's a tradition.

We can easily have a tradition started and the athletic department will cash a nice check every year with RHH.

I guess all we can do is spitball some ideas around and wait to see how Andy Noel turns it into a wrestling event.

Still think a Red/White tournament for a Red/White championship could have some legs, but if we could alternate BU and Wisconsin and that'd be way more than I ever expected and I'd be thrilled.

[nyc94]

But the goal shouldn't be just making a game at MSG a financial success.

Right there. That's the exact moment you lost many athletic administrators.

Does anyone know how the financials for an event like Red Hot Hockey break down?  Does MSG get a flat fee or a cut of ticket sales?  How much is left to split between the schools?

[David Harding]

But the goal shouldn't be just making a game at MSG a financial success.

Right there. That's the exact moment you lost many athletic administrators.

Does anyone know how the financials for an event like Red Hot Hockey break down?  Does MSG get a flat fee or a cut of ticket sales?  How much is left to split between the schools?

We don't want it to just be a financial successes, but if it isn't a financial success it won't be sustainable.  
Is my impression correct that all the ticket sales this year went through the schools, rather than MSG and Ticketmaster as they did the first two times around?  That's a slight change in the business model.
Here's where you ask what it would cost you to rent MSG http://www.thegarden.com/specialevents/

[nyc94]

But the goal shouldn't be just making a game at MSG a financial success.

Right there. That's the exact moment you lost many athletic administrators.

Does anyone know how the financials for an event like Red Hot Hockey break down?  Does MSG get a flat fee or a cut of ticket sales?  How much is left to split between the schools?

We don't want it to just be a financial successes, but if it isn't a financial success it won't be sustainable.  
Is my impression correct that all the ticket sales this year went through the schools, rather than MSG and Ticketmaster as they did the first two times around?  That's a slight change in the business model.
Here's where you ask what it would cost you to rent MSG http://www.thegarden.com/specialevents/

I'm just curious.  But I assume a financial success would go a long way to drawing the schools we do want to play, especially those that we have been led to believe won't travel because they do not want to give up their own home games.

[George64]

Another reason for playing a big time school annually at MSG.  According to the WSJ: "Cornell Wins Contest for City Tech Campus."

[marty]

What's the chance that Bloomberg gave the anonymous gift?

[Swampy]

What's the chance that Bloomberg gave the anonymous gift?

Does he have any other connection with Cornell?

[Al DeFlorio]

What's the chance that Bloomberg gave the anonymous gift?

Does he have any other connection with Cornell?

I'd be surprised if it's Bloomberg.  I'd think, if it ever came out, there would be howls about conflict of interest and the like.

[scoop85]

What's the chance that Bloomberg gave the anonymous gift?

Does he have any other connection with Cornell?

I'd be surprised if it's Bloomberg.  I'd think, if it ever came out, there would be howls about conflict of interest and the like.

I've seen a few published reports that the gift is NOT from Bloomberg (sorry -- can't link to anything off hand).

[Swampy]

What's the chance that Bloomberg gave the anonymous gift?

Does he have any other connection with Cornell?

I'd be surprised if it's Bloomberg.  I'd think, if it ever came out, there would be howls about conflict of interest and the like.

I've seen a few published reports that the gift is NOT from Bloomberg (sorry -- can't link to anything off hand).

Got an email earlier today about "a live event of special interest to all Cornellians." The link is http://www.alumniconnections.com/links/link.cgi?l=2765047&h=143329&e=CEL-20111219101657, and the event was supposed to start at 2:30 PM. Maybe it's coming from Chicago or it's being broadcast by the people who do redcast. ::bang::

[George64]

What's the chance that Bloomberg gave the anonymous gift?

Does he have any other connection with Cornell?

I'd be surprised if it's Bloomberg.  I'd think, if it ever came out, there would be howls about conflict of interest and the like.

I've seen a few published reports that the gift is NOT from Bloomberg (sorry -- can't link to anything off hand).

Got an email earlier today about "a live event of special interest to all Cornellians." The link is http://www.alumniconnections.com/links/link.cgi?l=2765047&h=143329&e=CEL-20111219101657, and the event was supposed to start at 2:30 PM. Maybe it's coming from Chicago or it's being broadcast by the people who do redcast. ::bang::

When events involve politicians, you can count on them starting late.

[Swampy]

What's the chance that Bloomberg gave the anonymous gift?

Does he have any other connection with Cornell?

I'd be surprised if it's Bloomberg.  I'd think, if it ever came out, there would be howls about conflict of interest and the like.

I've seen a few published reports that the gift is NOT from Bloomberg (sorry -- can't link to anything off hand).

Got an email earlier today about "a live event of special interest to all Cornellians." The link is http://www.alumniconnections.com/links/link.cgi?l=2765047&h=143329&e=CEL-20111219101657, and the event was supposed to start at 2:30 PM. Maybe it's coming from Chicago or it's being broadcast by the people who do redcast. ::bang::

When events involve politicians, you can count on them starting late.

I suppose you can also count on them rewriting history for their own purposes. A few minutes into his speech, Bloomberg described the Morrill Act as having primarily an economic goal, but that's entirely untrue. Here's what Justin Smith Morrill said about this in his speech on the 25th anniversary of the Morrill Act. (BTW, there are different versions of this speech kicking around the Internet. The quote comes from p. 20 of this version. Also notice that he only mentions one institution by name, on p. 24 ::cheer::, and describes it as the "most complete" ). Here's the quote:

The Land-Grant Colleges were founded on the idea that a higher and broader education should be placed in every state within the reach of those whose destiny assigns them to, or who may have the
courage to choose industrial vocations where the wealth of nations is produced; where advanced civilization unfolds its comforts, and where a much larger number of the people need wider educational
advantages, and impatiently await their possession. The design was to open the door to a liberal education for this large class at a cheaper cost from being close at hand, and to tempt them by offering not only sound literary instruction, but something more applicable to the productive employments of life. It would be a mistake to suppose it was intended that every student should become either a farmer or mechanic when the design comprehended not only instruction for those who may hold the plow or follow a trade, but such instruction as any person might need—with "the world all before them where to choose" —and without the exclusion of those who might prefer to adhere to the classics. Milton in his famous discourse on education, gives a definition of what an education ought to be, which would seem to very completely cover all that was proposed by the Land-Grant Colleges; and Milton lacked nothing of ancient learning, nor did he suffer his culture to hide his stalwart republicanism. He says: " I call, therefore, a complete and generous education, that which fits a man to perform justly, skillfully and magnanimously all the offices, both private and public, of peace and war."

You'll notice here the main purpose is to serve the student. Even as late as 1887 about 34% of the adult population was self-employed, and in 1862 this percentage was probably over 50%. The Republicans, like Morrill, idealized the self-employed, independent individual, and the Act sought to make such small businesses (and worker cooperatives!) more economically viable. In a famous speech Lincoln extolled the virtues of self-employment. This was pretty typical of Republicans at the time, and the Morrill Act was intended primarily to give liberal education (i.e. education for "free men and women") to the "free labor" in the Republican's slogan, "Free Land, Free Labor!" This is why Jonathan Baldwin Turner, who first proposed the land grant idea, said, "Education prepares the way for the millenium of labor."

But Bloomberg's speech today tells an entirely different story. George Orwell called it.

[Beeeej]

But Bloomberg's speech today tells an entirely different story. George Orwell called it.

Call me crazy, but I heard a sum total of about a dozen words about the federal land grant program in Bloomberg's speech, and none of what I remember hearing contradicts any historical facts.  If you've got a copy of the text of his speech that shows me otherwise, I'm happy to take a look.

[sethred]

Im thinking that the gift is from Sanford Weill, class of '55(i think)

[Swampy]

But Bloomberg's speech today tells an entirely different story. George Orwell called it.

Call me crazy, but I heard a sum total of about a dozen words about the federal land grant program in Bloomberg's speech, and none of what I remember hearing contradicts any historical facts.  If you've got a copy of the text of his speech that shows me otherwise, I'm happy to take a look.

All I'm saying is he made it sound as if the land grant was primarily about developing the economy, which the tech campus clearly is, when in fact is was about giving a liberal education to the children of the industrial classes. The land grant was also a program developed primarily by the Republican Party, which at the time had a very low opinion of life-long wage labor, while the tech campus is all about creating jobs.

As far as the rest of the speech goes, Bloomberg said things that are very typical of what the country's elite is saying these days, whether Democrat or Republican. The whole narrative begs a slew of questions. Is further economic growth sustainable? Will the entrepreneurial ethic, which he takes for granted as being desirable, lead to more or less inequality? Is the global economic system, which the elites finally had to admit is open to systemic risk, subject to systemic dysfunction? The left wing of the national elite thinks tougher regulation can control the banking system, but when banks innovate they usually try to discover ways to get around regulation. So going forward, how can the system start moving again without returning to the high-risk economy?

I don't object to Cornell becoming even more active in technology, but I do object to it becoming lopsided. I also object to sweeping questions such as these under the rug and uncritically joining in the narrative, thereby strengthening and perpetuating it.