MSG Hockey v. Michigan

[Aaron M. Griffin]

(OT: But what ever happened to "Any Person, Any Study"? Would the new New York City campus use, "Any Person, Any Study as long as it's STEM"?)

Why would that be any different from the medical school, which is also in New York City?  It's still Cornell - if you want to study something else, go to Ithaca.

Well, I consider graduate school to be different from undergraduate, and the proposed tech campus would have undergrads, as I understand it. Also, a good academic case can be made for locating Med Schools in big cities (primarily because they need lots of poor people to practice on). STEM fields have much less need to be in a city, although I'm sure Bloomberg wets his pants hoping his idea pans out with the next Silicon Valley.

Ezra Cornell's promise was university-wide. The fact that the campuses are in diverse locales (including Qatar) does not undermine that promise or its realization at all because study in those given fields is offered at satellite locations that are equally part of Cornell University. Do you purport that "any person" means that Cornell should have infinite enrollment with no admissions criteria? One could reasonably construct that phrase to mean such.

[jtn27]

I'd like if Cornell played a game in MSG once a year and established it as a kind of home away from home (why did we wear road jerseys this year?). It would be great if they alternated with BU and a rotating group, but it doesn't matter if BU doesn't want to do it anymore. In fact, rather than negotiating with the other schools, Cornell should go negotiate a deal with MSG to play one game a year and then go invite other schools to come play once the deal has been signed.

[David Harding]

I'd like if Cornell played a game in MSG once a year and established it as a kind of home away from home (why did we wear road jerseys this year?). It would be great if they alternated with BU and a rotating group, but it doesn't matter if BU doesn't want to do it anymore. In fact, rather than negotiating with the other schools, Cornell should go negotiate a deal with MSG to play one game a year and then go invite other schools to come play once the deal has been signed.

An ambitious plan would be a Cornell game at MSG every year playing BU every third year.  The other two years could be home and home with them on another weekend, while we played someone else at MSG over Thanksgiving.  Perhaps the MSG lure would be big enough to entice others like Michigan or Wisconsin into a home and home deal, too.

[redice]

Am I the only one that misses the "family time" on Thanksgiving weekend when I go to NYC for Red Hot Hockey?   Yes, the wife goes along.   But, the extended family is back in upstate NY doing things together and we miss out.   Going to NYC once every three years to watch something as special as CU-BU hockey in MSG is a sacrifice (from family life) worth making.   We always have a good time.   But, doing it every year?   That's not going to happen here.   Family is too important.   I'm surprised nobody has expressed similar sentiments.

The current "dosage" of Red Hot Hockey is perfect for us.   Keep it coming!!

[marty]

(OT: But what ever happened to "Any Person, Any Study"? Would the new New York City campus use, "Any Person, Any Study as long as it's STEM"?)

Why would that be any different from the medical school, which is also in New York City?  It's still Cornell - if you want to study something else, go to Ithaca.

Well, I consider graduate school to be different from undergraduate, and the proposed tech campus would have undergrads, as I understand it. Also, a good academic case can be made for locating Med Schools in big cities (primarily because they need lots of poor people to practice on).

Then poor folks to practice on may be a bit harsh.  When the University of Illinois started its medical campus in Chicago there weren't enough people -poor or otherwise - in Champaign to make it a viable location.  Years later three more med schools were established including Champaign-Urbana.

The med school is listed as beginning in 1898.  Cornell History

[marty]

Am I the only one that misses the "family time" on Thanksgiving weekend when I go to NYC for Red Hot Hockey?   Yes, the wife goes along.   But, the extended family is back in upstate NY doing things together and we miss out.   Going to NYC once every three years to watch something as special as CU-BU hockey in MSG is a sacrifice (from family life) worth making.   We always have a good time.   But, doing it every year?   That's not going to happen here.   Family is too important.   I'm surprised nobody has expressed similar sentiments.

The current "dosage" of Red Hot Hockey is perfect for us.   Keep it coming!!

I for one don't miss the family time because my children use that weekend to visit home in the Capital District away from their apartments in NYC.  Unless we make it down for a hockey weekend I will be watching the games on TV.:`-(

[heykb]

IMO, one reason the Saturday after T'giving date has worked is that there are a bazillion Cornell people who are in greater NYC for the weekend anyway. If you have to go visit Mom/Dad/Aunt Florence/Grandma in the area for the holiday, you are sooo ready for some excuse to get a few hours out of the house and Red Hot Hockey is purpose-built for that.

Given that it has been a complete sellout every time, there is a reasonable chance that making it annual would work as a business proposition. Maybe some people only go on alternate years to see the BU game, but some folks will be interested to see a Wisc or Mich just because we don't play them very often. Quality opponent plus MSG plus good date choice should equal sellout, too, just like BU.

It sure seems like a better shot than Colgate + Newark.

[Dafatone]

Am I the only one that misses the "family time" on Thanksgiving weekend when I go to NYC for Red Hot Hockey?   Yes, the wife goes along.   But, the extended family is back in upstate NY doing things together and we miss out.   Going to NYC once every three years to watch something as special as CU-BU hockey in MSG is a sacrifice (from family life) worth making.   We always have a good time.   But, doing it every year?   That's not going to happen here.   Family is too important.   I'm surprised nobody has expressed similar sentiments.

The current "dosage" of Red Hot Hockey is perfect for us.   Keep it coming!!

I was going to point out that you don't have to go to Red Hot Hockey, but then I realized that Cornell Hockey is for many of us the obligation over family time.  So yeah, I understand.

[Josh '99]

It sure seems like a better shot than Colgate + Newark.

While it's pretty much a given that you'd get more butts in seats against [insert any big name here] at MSG than against [insert less appealing opponent here] in Newark, I wonder whether maybe the economics of using the two facilities are such that you're financially better off with 5,413 in Newark (the attendance last November against Colgate) or 3,500 in Uniondale (the attendance when we played them at the Mausoleum the equivalent day in 1998) than, say, 8,000 at MSG if you were to have a "name" opponent that doesn't have the same cachet with Cornell fans as BU does, or if you were to oversaturate the interest of casual fans by having the game every year.

[Josh '99]

(why did we wear road jerseys this year?)

My understanding is that because (as RichH mentioned above) the BU Athletic Department does the organization and coordination with the venue, they get to be the home team.

[Rosey]

Am I the only one that misses the "family time" on Thanksgiving weekend when I go to NYC for Red Hot Hockey?   Yes, the wife goes along.   But, the extended family is back in upstate NY doing things together and we miss out.   Going to NYC once every three years to watch something as special as CU-BU hockey in MSG is a sacrifice (from family life) worth making.   We always have a good time.   But, doing it every year?   That's not going to happen here.   Family is too important.   I'm surprised nobody has expressed similar sentiments.

The current "dosage" of Red Hot Hockey is perfect for us.   Keep it coming!!

IMO, the worst part about the game being on the Saturday night after Thanksgiving is that I have to stick around my parents' house for an extra day and a half instead of heading back to Boston at the ass crack of dawn on Friday.

[Chris '03]

(why did we wear road jerseys this year?)

My understanding is that because (as RichH mentioned above) the BU Athletic Department does the organization and coordination with the venue, they get to be the home team.

I figured they just rotated.

[Beeeej]

Am I the only one that misses the "family time" on Thanksgiving weekend when I go to NYC for Red Hot Hockey?   Yes, the wife goes along.   But, the extended family is back in upstate NY doing things together and we miss out.   Going to NYC once every three years to watch something as special as CU-BU hockey in MSG is a sacrifice (from family life) worth making.

Every huh?

[scoop85]

(why did we wear road jerseys this year?)

My understanding is that because (as RichH mentioned above) the BU Athletic Department does the organization and coordination with the venue, they get to be the home team.

I figured they just rotated.

It has been rotated. BU was the home team in '07 and this year, we were the home team in '09.

[Aaron M. Griffin]

(why did we wear road jerseys this year?)

My understanding is that because (as RichH mentioned above) the BU Athletic Department does the organization and coordination with the venue, they get to be the home team.

Cornell and BU have agreed not to follow traditional neutral site rules under which the higher ranked team is considered the "home team." They have agreed instead that they will rotate which team is the home team. That is why BU was "home" in 20007 and 2011, but Cornell was "home" in 2009.