Cornell in Pairwise and KRACH

lynah80 · February 01, 2009, 12:42:55 PM

If UMass wins today, they will remain a TUC, which will keep Cornell at 6-3 going into next weekend. A Cornell win against Princeton may gave them 10 TUC, but will not move them up against BU, NDame or Vermont. However, it will keep them ahead of Michigan.

Ironically, we should be rooting for Harvard in the Beanpot.

Jim Hyla · February 01, 2009, 12:47:04 PM

[quote lynah80]Ironically, we should be rooting for Harvard in the Beanpot.[/quote]
No, we almost always should root for Harvard in the Beanpot. The whole league knows that. That's why they arranged the schedule so they don't play on Sat. before.

Beeeej · February 01, 2009, 12:51:04 PM

[quote Jim Hyla][quote lynah80]Ironically, we should be rooting for Harvard in the Beanpot.[/quote]
No, we almost always should root for Harvard in the Beanpot. The whole league knows that. That's why they arranged the schedule so they don't play on Sat. before.[/quote]

Agreed. Nothing ironic about it. Go Cantabs!!

Ugh. I just threw up in my mouth a little.::yark::

Scersk '97 · February 01, 2009, 12:55:56 PM

Sorry, it took my nose a couple of seconds to find the more interesting scenario.

Yale hosts Bridgeport and UNH hosts Manchester. So, imagine the seeds as:


1  BU   16  Ni
2  ND   15  AF
3  Vt   14  NH  (switch) 13  Ya  ---> Bridgeport
4  Cr   13  Ya           14  NH  ---> Manchester

So, the committee would be faced with shipping BU out West to face Air Force or Niagara or keeping them east to play a high seed closer to home. Oh, the humanity!

Of course, what would happen is that Vermont would get shipped out West and we would get sent to Manchester, OR the committee would magically waive all the rules and we would somehow end up in Minnesota playing them in the first round.

Robb · February 01, 2009, 01:05:23 PM

[quote Jim Hyla][quote lynah80]Ironically, we should be rooting for Harvard in the Beanpot.[/quote]
No, we almost always should root for Harvard in the Beanpot. The whole league knows that. That's why they arranged the schedule so they don't play on Sat. before.[/quote]
Rooting for Harvard in anything is always ironic.

Al DeFlorio · February 01, 2009, 02:04:18 PM

[quote Jim Hyla]That's why they arranged the schedule so they don't play on Sat. before.[/quote]
To which can be attributed Harvard's sterling Beanpot record. Oh, wait...

ugarte · February 01, 2009, 02:11:41 PM

[quote Jim Hyla][quote lynah80]Ironically, we should be rooting for Harvard in the Beanpot.[/quote]
No, we almost always should root for Harvard in the Beanpot.[/quote]
Pass. I'll take the PWR consequences in exchange for Harvard's hilarious futility.

lynah80 · February 01, 2009, 07:46:48 PM

UMass lost, so forget the 10 TUC's for a while.

billhoward · February 01, 2009, 11:24:23 PM

[quote Robb][quote Jim Hyla][quote lynah80]Ironically, we should be rooting for Harvard in the Beanpot.[/quote]
No, we almost always should root for Harvard in the Beanpot. The whole league knows that. That's why they arranged the schedule so they don't play on Sat. before.[/quote]
Rooting for Harvard in anything is always ironic.[/quote]
Root for them to get insider-buying privileges on the Madoff funds. Talk about a self-cleaning oven.

nyc94 · February 07, 2009, 11:55:11 AM

Current Bracketology is up at USCHO.

The part we would be interested in:

West Regional (Minneapolis)
13 North Dakota vs. 4 Cornell
10 Minnesota vs. 7 Miami

lynah80 · February 07, 2009, 02:12:14 PM

[quote Robb]

Right now, we're 5-1-1 against TUCs, with wins against (in RPI): #8 (Princeton), #15 (Dartmouth), #19 (SCSU), #21 (NoDak), and #24 (SLU), with our Tie against #16 (Quinnipiac). I think we can all remember the only team we lost to so far.

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Tonight's game will have a lot of significance for TUC and RPI. Also, with Northeastern it could help for COP.

Chris '03 · February 07, 2009, 02:39:10 PM

[quote lynah80][quote Robb]

Right now, we're 5-1-1 against TUCs, with wins against (in RPI): #8 (Princeton), #15 (Dartmouth), #19 (SCSU), #21 (NoDak), and #24 (SLU), with our Tie against #16 (Quinnipiac). I think we can all remember the only team we lost to so far.

[/quote]

Tonight's game will have a lot of significance for TUC and RPI. Also, with Northeastern it could help for COP.[/quote]

It's also worth noting that UMass and QU are lurking at 27 and 29 in RPI. If either can crack the T-25 tonight, Cornell will hit 10 TUC games.

Looking at the four teams currently winning comparisons with Cornell, it won't take much to take the NU comparison. That's pretty much up to Cornell. Tonight's game and the game vs. RPI are marginally important.

BU is pretty well unassailable. Barring a collapse, they've got that comparison. It would take the right playoff matchups to take CoP or TUC. And it's tough to make up a big RPI difference in ECAC play.

UVm is really similar to Cornell. Cornell needs wins vs. RPI and @ Dartmouth or help from the Cats.

Notre Dame is close in TUC but needs to do some losing to come back down in RPI. The only COP is Union and both teams are 1-0. Cornell has to win that one at Lynah to keep that a draw.

At the end of the day Cornell's gotta flip at least one of these for a #1 seed in March. It's probably best to root for BU on Monday against NU since there's almost no way the BU/CU comparison flips.

Big(ger) games for Cornell's PWR:
vs. PU
@ Dartmouth
vs. Union
vs. RPI
@ Yale

Rooting interests:
Boo:
UVm
NU
ND
And to a lesser extent:
Alaska
AFA*
UNO*
Mankato*

Go:
Cornell
QU
UMass
SCSU
NoDak

*It helps CU's RPI that these teams are good (OOWP) but it also helps that they be replaced in the RPI T-25 by teams CU has had success against.

Feel free to nitpick this analysis. I'm sure there are mistakes.

nyc94 · February 07, 2009, 03:13:13 PM

[quote Chris '03]At the end of the day Cornell's gotta flip at least one of these for a #1 seed in March.[/quote]

Unless Cornell is one of the top two in the east, being a #1 seed almost guarantees a trip west. Right now Cornell would be the #4 overall and is behind BU (#1) and Vermont (#3) which is why they get sent to Minneapolis. If the rumor that the NCAA is going to cut down on travel this year is true then dropping to a #2 seed might be better from a fan's perspective.

Also, Jason Moy's current brackets have Miami in both the West and Midwest regions while Northeastern is completely missing.

Chris '03 · February 07, 2009, 03:27:42 PM

[quote nyc94][quote Chris '03]At the end of the day Cornell's gotta flip at least one of these for a #1 seed in March.[/quote]

Unless Cornell is one of the top two in the east, being a #1 seed almost guarantees a trip west. Right now Cornell would be the #4 overall and is behind BU (#1) and Vermont (#3) which is why they get sent to Minneapolis. If the rumor that the NCAA is going to cut down on travel this year is true then dropping to a #2 seed might be better from a fan's perspective.

Also, Jason Moy's current brackets have Miami in both the West and Midwest regions while Northeastern is completely missing.[/quote]

It could come down to where Yale and UNH fall too. As hosts, they are going to Bridgeport and Manchester no matter what if they make it. The question is where in the bracket they fall and how the other seeds rotate around them. Though if you signed me up for UVM/CU/??/Yale in Bridgeport tight now, I take it. If Yale moves into a 3 seed position that boxes Cornell out of Bridgeport unless it's a 1.

There's plenty of hockey left but there are too many scenarios that have Cornell heading west again for my liking...

nyc94 · February 07, 2009, 03:48:32 PM

[quote Chris '03]It could come down to where Yale and UNH fall too. As hosts, they are going to Bridgeport and Manchester no matter what if they make it.[/quote]

Very true. It would be interesting to see what they would do if UNH dropped to a #4 seed and BU and UVM remain as #1 seeds (or Northeastern moves up). The higher team would go to Bridgeport to get the 15 or 16 team. Do they send the other to Manchester and an intraconference game in the first round? Anyway, long way to go.