Cornell in Pairwise and KRACH

[lynah80]

After next weekend, Cornell will reach the 10 team minimum for TUC, hopefully at 6-5 with non head-to-head teams.  Four teams in the top 25 will not reach the 10 team limit this year:  Yale, Princeton, RIT and Air Force.

[bfischer]

[quote Beeeej][quote KeithK]I'd be very surprised if they kept a Yale/Princeton or Yale/Cornell matchup in the first round.  If things were to stay the way they are you might see Yale moved to either Minnesota or New Hampshire, thus avoiding the issue.[/quote]

Yale's a host at Bridgeport.  They're not going anywhere but Bridgeport.[/quote]

Unfortunately, I don't think there is a scenario where Cornell will be sent to Bridgeport.  Yale looks like they will be a 2 or 3 seed, blocking Cornell from that venue.

[DeltaOne81]

[quote KeithK][quote Beeeej]
Yale's a host at Bridgeport.  They're not going anywhere but Bridgeport.[/quote]
OK, forgot that.  I still think they would scrap bracket integrity to avoid first round matchups.[/quote]

Haven't they (and their listed seeding criteria) explicitly said otherwise? I thought no-intra-conference games was a 'nice to have if possible', but band seeding was a 'have to have'.

If things stay as is, due to hosts, Yale is in Bridgeport as a #2, Minn is in Minn as the #3, and UNH in NH as the #3. The remaining 3s are Cornell & Princeton, with the only two slots being Bridgeport & Grand Rapids, so there would *need* to be an intra-conference matchup with Yale.

Seeing as Yale is 7 & Cornell is currently 10, at this very moment, the natural 7-10 matchup would likely see Cornell sent to Bridgeport, but of course that detail could easily change.

[upperdeck]

CU just needs to make sure they do no worse then split next week. if they lose 2 its almost impossible for them to get in even with all the favs winning.

[Trotsky]

[quote grizzdan24]Sportscenter thinks that Cornell is in saying: "Cornell hockey should also make the NCAA Hockey Tournament" after talking about the Men's Bball seeding.[/quote]

I suspect that got in because the Bristol intern writing the copy was passingly acquainted with ECAC hockey, not because of any serious analysis. ;-)

[Flyers1037]

[quote lynah80]Cornell looks like a #3 seed.  It will be difficult for them to become a #2.  If they win the conference, they will win their comparison with UNH, but possibly not with Vermont.   Neither of those two will be playing next weekend.

Edit:  Using the Pairwise predictor at CHN, I found a number of scenarios where Cornell could be a #2 seed.  They require Cornell to win twice in Albany and N. Dakota to lose in the WCHA semifinal.  However, the predictor does not include consolation games.   It's here:

http://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/yatc.php[/quote]

The consolation games show up on the far left side of the script (before the semifinal matches), I found it on my second try after it told me that consolation games weren't included in the "final" PWR.

[Rita]

[quote grizzdan24]Sportscenter thinks that Cornell is in saying: "Cornell hockey should also make the NCAA Hockey Tournament" after talking about the Men's Bball seeding.[/quote]

I noticed that too. Granted John Buccigross is one of the few SC people that know what a hockey puck looks like, they still really don't get they NC$$ hockey selection process. AUUGGGHHH.

[adamw]

[quote DeltaOne81]Haven't they (and their listed seeding criteria) explicitly said otherwise? I thought no-intra-conference games was a 'nice to have if possible', but band seeding was a 'have to have'.

If things stay as is, due to hosts, Yale is in Bridgeport as a #2, Minn is in Minn as the #3, and UNH in NH as the #3. The remaining 3s are Cornell & Princeton, with the only two slots being Bridgeport & Grand Rapids, so there would *need* to be an intra-conference matchup with Yale.[/quote]

Well - no-intra-conference games remains an equally sacrosanct policy ... however, in your scenario, the two concepts would clash in an "immovable object meets unstoppable force" kind of situation. This happened last year when Denver and Wisconsin had to play in the first round in Madison.

So Yes, in your scenario, some ECAC team would have to play Yale. I think this will shake out, however.

[Rita]

[quote adamw][quote DeltaOne81]Haven't they (and their listed seeding criteria) explicitly said otherwise? I thought no-intra-conference games was a 'nice to have if possible', but band seeding was a 'have to have'.

If things stay as is, due to hosts, Yale is in Bridgeport as a #2, Minn is in Minn as the #3, and UNH in NH as the #3. The remaining 3s are Cornell & Princeton, with the only two slots being Bridgeport & Grand Rapids, so there would *need* to be an intra-conference matchup with Yale.[/quote]

Well - no-intra-conference games remains an equally sacrosanct policy ... however, in your scenario, the two concepts would clash in an "immovable object meets unstoppable force" kind of situation. This happened last year when Denver and Wisconsin had to play in the first round in Madison.

So Yes, in your scenario, some ECAC team would have to play Yale. I think this will shake out, however.[/quote]

And wasn't last year's scenario further complicated by the fact that the WHCA had 5 teams in the tourney and with CC and Wisconsin hosting.

Well the one good thing out of last year's tourney was the "Wisconsin rule" where a team has to have a .500 or better record to get an at large bid.

[lynah80]

[quote Flyers1037][quote lynah80]Cornell looks like a #3 seed.  It will be difficult for them to become a #2.  If they win the conference, they will win their comparison with UNH, but possibly not with Vermont.   Neither of those two will be playing next weekend.

Edit:  Using the Pairwise predictor at CHN, I found a number of scenarios where Cornell could be a #2 seed.  They require Cornell to win twice in Albany and N. Dakota to lose in the WCHA semifinal.  However, the predictor does not include consolation games.   It's here:

http://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/yatc.php[/quote]

The consolation games show up on the far left side of the script (before the semifinal matches), I found it on my second try after it told me that consolation games weren't included in the "final" PWR.[/quote]

Thank you.