Cornell in Pairwise and KRACH

[Chris '03]

Cornell sits at 10 this minute, Yale at 8, Princeton 12, and SLU 15 and last team out.


If it all ended this second, Cornell would likely be a 3 in NH vs. UNH with Denver and OSU probably.

In Bridgeport, you'd get a fun one:
BU/AHA
Yale/NoDak

[Chris 02]

How did Minnesota go from #18 last night in PWR to #13 and in the tournament tonight?

[nyc94]

[quote Chris 02]How did Minnesota go from #18 last night in PWR to #13 and in the tournament tonight?[/quote]

Edit: To make a long story short it is because Alaska-Anchorage is now a TUC.


Minnesota picked up three comparisons last night.  They flipped their comparison with Vermont from 1-2 to 2-1 because record against TUC swung in their favor.  Vermont dropped a game to UNH and Alaska-Anchorage became a TUC which added a win and a tie to Minnesota.  

Minnesota flipped their comparison with St. Lawrence also because of TUC.  The comparison had been tied 1-1 and TUC was a draw with both teams having a .500 record. St. Lawrence has the higher RPI.  Alaska moving into TUC status gives Minnesota a higher winning percentage against TUC by adding a win and a tie.  And RIT had been a TUC but dropped out after last night which takes away a win from St. Lawrence.  Minnesota currently wins the comparison 2-1.

Minnesota also flipped the comparison with Minnesota-Duluth from 1-3 to 3-0.  RPI and TUC which had been in Duluth's favor swung to Minnesota. Alaska-Anchorage is again the culprit for TUC because Duluth went 0-3-1 against AA including being swept this weekend. Common Opponents went from Duluth's favor to being a draw as Minnesota won last night and Duluth lost.

[Cactus12]

how else will the ncaa justify letting them play in the west regional at mariucci if they don't make the tournament?

[lynah80]

If Cornell sweeps next weekend and does well in Albany, they could be a #2 seed.  It would be helpful if either UMass or Union moved into the top 25.  

RPI as of 3/8/09

24) 0.5123 Alaska-Anchorage (14-15-5)  
25) 0.5119 Alaska (15-13-6)
26) 0.5104 RIT (21-11-2)
27) 0.5094 Northern Michigan (16-15-5)
28) 0.5034 Massachusetts (15-18-3)
29) 0.5024 Union (18-15-3)

Next week:

Alaska-Anchorage vs. Denver
Alaska-Fairbanks vs. Ohio St.
Northern Michigan vs. Miami
UMass vs. Northeastern
Union vs. Princeton

[nyc94]

[quote lynah80]It would be helpful if either UMass or Union moved into the top 25.[/quote]

The only way I could get Union into the Top 25 is for them to win four straight.  ::uhoh::

http://www.slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/2009/rankings.diy.shtml

[lynah80]

[quote nyc94][quote lynah80]It would be helpful if either UMass or Union moved into the top 25.[/quote]

The only way I could get Union into the Top 25 is for them to win four straight.  ::uhoh::

http://www.slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/2009/rankings.diy.shtml[/quote]

Okay, bad idea.

[Josh '99]

While I would obviously prefer for Cornell to win the next four (or eight) games, if we were to posit that Cornell does not win in Albany, what would it take for four ECAC schools to make the tournament (i.e., CU and Yale and Princeton get at-large bids, another ECAC school wins the tournament)?  Bonus points if there's a set of results that has Denver and UND as the only two WCHA schools; extra-special bonus points if there's a way to push SLU up into at-large territory and get five ECAC schools in.

JTW, is your playoff script almost done?

[jtwcornell91]

[quote Josh '99]JTW, is your playoff script almost done?[/quote]

It should be ready to roll as soon as the quarterfinals (and the WZHA quintafinals) are done.

[KeithK]

[quote nyc94][quote Chris 02]How did Minnesota go from #18 last night in PWR to #13 and in the tournament tonight?[/quote]

Edit: To make a long story short it is because Alaska-Anchorage is now a TUC.[/quote]
Doesn't this mean that the posted rankings are wrong?  Anchorage is 14-15-5, which means they aren't a TUC because you need to have a .500 record to be a TUC this year.  See this link, as posted earlier in this thread by lynah80: http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2009/02/17_regionalization.php

The only other change to this year's bracket from last is that a team must have a .500 record or better to qualify. The "rule" was implemented last summer by the committee, in the aftermath of Wisconsin qualifying with an at-large bid despite being sub-.500.

Now I suppose UAA could be considered a TUC for comparison purposes because of their >.500 RPI and just not allowed to qualify, but that seems pretty bizarre.  It's much more reasonable to drop UAA, which ought to drop the Goofers back out of the field.

[jtwcornell91]

[quote KeithK]

The only other change to this year's bracket from last is that a team must have a .500 record or better to qualify. The "rule" was implemented last summer by the committee, in the aftermath of Wisconsin qualifying with an at-large bid despite being sub-.500.

Now I suppose UAA could be considered a TUC for comparison purposes because of their >.500 RPI and just not allowed to qualify, but that seems pretty bizarre.  It's much more reasonable to drop UAA, which ought to drop the Goofers back out of the field.[/quote]

Considering them a TUC for comparison purposes because their RPI is in the top 25 (the TUC definition was changed from RPI>.500 to RPI in top 25 a couple of years ago) is akin to what was done with RIT in their probationary years, and presumably to what they'd do if Mainesomeone were excluded from the NCAAs for disciplinary reasons.

[KeithK]

[quote jtwcornell91][quote KeithK]

The only other change to this year's bracket from last is that a team must have a .500 record or better to qualify. The "rule" was implemented last summer by the committee, in the aftermath of Wisconsin qualifying with an at-large bid despite being sub-.500.

Now I suppose UAA could be considered a TUC for comparison purposes because of their >.500 RPI and just not allowed to qualify, but that seems pretty bizarre.  It's much more reasonable to drop UAA, which ought to drop the Goofers back out of the field.[/quote]

Considering them a TUC for comparison purposes because their RPI is in the top 25 (the TUC definition was changed from RPI>.500 to RPI in top 25 a couple of years ago) is akin to what was done with RIT in their probationary years, and presumably to what they'd do if Mainesomeone were excluded from the NCAAs for disciplinary reasons.[/quote]
I don't think it's really analogous to a team in probationary period or on suspension.  But you may well be right.  Unless someone has a statement form the NCAA that covers this it's just guesswork.

Hopefully Denver's likely sweep of UAA next weekend will make this question moot.

[Germ]

I think the ECAC will be lucky if it gets three teams in.  I don't see a scenario where we'll get more than that.  Let's assume the top four seeds advance to Albany (because if they don't they'll drop too far down in the PW after their two losses in the quarters(maybe not Yale)).  

If the seeding plays out and Yale beats us then I think we make it in with Yale.  PU would be on the bubble.  The question is how far will PU drop by losing to us in the semis?  They're already at number 12 in the PW. I say they don't make it.

And if Yale beats PU in the finals I'm afraid we could find ourselves in the same position albeit slightly better since we're at number 10 in the PW as of today.  We'd have to hope CC and OSU share a similar fate and don't have a strong showing in their tourneys.

I think SLU has to run the table or they're toast.

The only way we could get three teams in IMO would be for SLU to beat us in the finals.  It would be SLU, us, and Yale.

Let's just win it, get a two-seed, and get ready to board the bus to Minny because you just know that's where they'd stick us.  And guess who we'd probably draw in the first round...on their home ice?

[lynah80]

[quote Germ]

Let's just win it, get a two-seed, and get ready to board the bus to Minny because you just know that's where they'd stick us.  And guess who we'd probably draw in the first round...on their home ice?[/quote]

I'd rather go to Minnesota than Manchester.

[Jim Hyla]

[quote Germ]Let's just win it, get a two-seed, and get ready to board the bus to Minny because you just know that's where they'd stick us.  And guess who we'd probably draw in the first round...on their home ice?[/quote]Right now we have a better chance of being at Minny than Minny does.Let's go St. Cloud St..  If we get a 2 seed, can they get a 3 and face us first, very doubtful.