Ivy lax tournament 2013

[dag14]

This loss is not all on Fiore.  The defense gave Princeton -- especially MacDonald -- looks they shouldn't have.  I am not saying that AJ is blameless but defense is a team responsibility.

[Al DeFlorio]

This loss is not all on Fiore.  The defense gave Princeton -- especially MacDonald -- looks they shouldn't have.  I am not saying that AJ is blameless but defense is a team responsibility.

No question.  Princeton shot a high percentage because they were getting good looks.  But Sanschagrin stoned some really good looks by Mock and Pannell, especially in th second half when the game was on the line.  Your goalie has to come up with a few of those to win big-time games.

[Johnny 5]

Shots 49-30 Cornell; faceoffs 21-9 Cornell; ground balls 40-29 Cornell; should not have lost that game.  Six saves against 14 goals the difference.

No bout a doubt it, AJ is either feast or famine.
Last night I think he left all the CU fans feeling like Starvin' Marvin.
And, the "growl" isn't just their stomachs.
Can anybody smell a Thompson Tewaaraton??

::thud::

[ithacat]

Fiore has to come up with one save in the 4th and they win the game. One. Six goals, no saves. Regardless how the defense played that was a horrible performance by him. Fiore had 3 saves in the 2nd half, Sanschagrin had 10.

I do believe that a lax goalie might have the toughest job in sport. Still, one save from a senior in the 4th quarter is not too much to expect.

[Trotsky]

Fiore has to come up with one save in the 4th and they win the game. One. Six goals, no saves.

I thought the Princeton shot with 4 seconds left that dinged the left post was also deflected by Fiore.  I guess not.

So, is it unusual for a team that dominates its conference RS to lose in the playoffs?  Are we developing the reputation of choking, or is it pretty much a crapshoot in a one-and-done tournament?

[rss77]

Sanschagrin was getting beat on low shots and bouncers which I am sure where Yale will be attacking him.  Red could not beat him up high.  I was disappointed with the defensive effort.  How many times were Princeton guys getting wide open shots?

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

I saw one point in the first half where they showed the shot stats.  Princeton was 2 for 4.  Cornell was 1 for 10.  That says it all for me.

Hopefully this wakes them up for the NCAAs.

[billhoward]

At the very end, two high school mistakes: Cornell throws a pass out of bounds. Princeton returns the favor by going offside. Imagine if the other team scored right after that.

[ugarte]

Based on the Laxpower tournament probability, I think we want Yale to beat Princeton. A loss for Princeton would have to hurt Princeton more than it hurts us, right?

[billhoward]

Woke up, turned on TV, and indeed it's still Princeton not Cornell vs. Yale for title. Eli taking it to Princeton, 6-3 at the half. Princeton up 2-0 first 10 minutes, Yale rolls to 6-2 lead, Princeton finally scores in the last half minute. Yale has won every faceoff. If Princeton loses, it looks as if the Tigers are capable of one-game great feats (Duke, Cornell) but wouldn't put together a four-game tournament run. A three-goal lead of course in nothing.

Announcers say Cornell is in regardless (and then somebody breaks in and says, "Well, not for certain") and talk of Loyola as the first (last) bubble team to get in, with the other bubble teams Bucknell, Yale, Princeton, and St. John's. Ivies as at-large teams being hurt by all the conferences where the favorites didn't win.

Selection show on ESPN U at 9 pm EDT Sunday (tonight).

[edit add] Yale 11-6 after three. Princeton runs off two straight to open period and tie at 6-6, Yale runs off five to lead 11-6. So far no offsetting goals; everything has been runs of two to six goals.

Final Yale 12, Princeton 8. Yale gets Ivy League auto-bid for the second straight year, Cornell most likely an at-large bid, Princeton most likely out.

[margolism]

I hate sudden death.  It is not really a good indicator of team is the better team.

[Rita]

I hate sudden death.  It is not really a good indicator of team is the better team.

Especially in lacrosse where it is very possible to win the face-off and score in 3 seconds*. Something like a 4 min OTs with a ~ 45 second shot clock might be a way to ensure both teams get possession and encourage them to move the ball and score hopefully have a goal differential at the end.

* Yes I know that in hockey you can score a GWG in OT in about 9 sec, but usually hockey OTs fall in between the 9 sec and 59 min range, more on the left end of that scale, with both teams having a fair chance of winning the game.

[billhoward]

I hate sudden death.  It is not really a good indicator of team is the better team.

Overtime in the first years of the NCAAs was the winner after an OT period, which is how Cornell and Maryland went into the 1976 championship overtime tied at 12 and Cornell won 16-13 after giving up the first OT goal. The difference between first-goal wins and a 4-minute (?) OT in terms of affecting TV programming is nil.

[Ronald '09]

I hate sudden death.  It is not really a good indicator of team is the better team.

Overtime in the first years of the NCAAs was the winner after an OT period, which is how Cornell and Maryland went into the 1976 championship overtime tied at 12 and Cornell won 16-13 after giving up the first OT goal. The difference between first-goal wins and a 4-minute (?) OT in terms of affecting TV programming is nil.

Back then did it work the same way in the regular season, or was it a tie if it was tied after 60?  Also, did they still have multiple overtime periods or would it be a tie after the first overtime if they did have it in the regular season?

I really don't see a problem with a game that's tied after regulation to just be a tie.  If both teams have scored the same amount, that's likely the fairest reflection on the game's performance.  I guess Americans are just too impatient.  It's also why we have to have playoffs in every sport and can't just crown the team at the top of the table champions at the end of the season.  Europeans don't seem to have that problem.

[Al DeFlorio]

Back then did it work the same way in the regular season, or was it a tie if it was tied after 60?  Also, did they still have multiple overtime periods or would it be a tie after the first overtime if they did have it in the regular season?

No ties in the regular season.  Four minute overtime with no sudden victory.  If still tied after first overtime, played a second, etc.  Much fairer way to decide a game where 20 total goals are the norm.