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Quote from: VIEWfromK on November 10, 2025, 09:04:29 AMPlaying these tight games is going to serve them well later on.  This weekend is always tough for them no matter the skill level on either team or the circumstances coming into it.... Road splits are acceptable as long as they take care of business at home.  I'm looking forward to getting back to Lynah with this feast or famine schedule.

I think a month ago. Or even two weeks ago, most would have signed for a 2-2 record coming home with a young team and new head coach. They've looked better than 2-2 on the ice so the record feels slightly disappointing. Take care of business at home against yale and brown, who both have Q trouble last week.

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Quote from: chimpfood on November 08, 2025, 09:16:20 PMAm I missing something or has Major not been on the ice?

Haven't seen or heard about him in a while

Major skated to the locker room during a tv timeout.  Didn't appear to be injured and the trainer did not accompany him.  I want to say it was early in the 2nd.  Did not see him for the rest of the game.

Maybe he ate at a Pizza Hut nearby?

My money's on Taco Bell.

Pizza Hut is a reference to a team meal gone bad in the north country before you were born.

Quote from: ugarte on November 08, 2025, 05:12:08 PM

Quote from: Trotsky on November 08, 2025, 03:50:12 PMWho wins in that scenario?  The team that won least recently?  That's gotta be us.

Edit:  https://ivyleague.com/sports/2025/9/15/general-untitled-sportfile.aspx

Alas, I think the losses to H and Y doom us since we will lose all H2H tiebreakers that matter. Don't know for sure if there is possibly some 4-team tiebreaker where 2-2 has some staying power but I doubt it.

I don't think there's a path. Just a miracle shared Ivy Title.

If H loses to Penn and Yale and
Yale loses to Princeton
And Penn beats Princeton
And Cornell wins out.
There are four 5-2s
Harvard would be 1-2 against the group of four
Penn would be 1-2
Cornell would be 1-2
Yale would be 3-0

If Yale loses both to fall to 4-3, it means Harvard is no worse than 6-1. There's no scenario where a tie of any kind with Yale works to Cornell's advantage and the only way to not tie Yale is to be a full game behind Yale or Harvard.

It's all exceedingly unlikely anyway but it's nice to be in a title race on paper in mid-November.

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Quote from: mike1960 on November 08, 2025, 02:52:23 PMTouchdown!!!

A block extra point is a live ball. Why were people standing around wondering what to do?

Kid who blocked it for Penn was my son's volleyball teammate in high school. Nice kid. And huge. Added sixty pounds at Penn.

Very cool! I hope he is unhappy tonight though.

So I guess you are not class of '60?  Or you are and you have a vast amount of money.

I'm neither class of '60 nor sitting on vast amounts of money.

Quote from: Trotsky on November 08, 2025, 03:43:34 PMIf we can hold on it looks like:

5-0 Harvard
4-1 Yale
3-2 Cornell
3-2 Dartmouth
3-2 Penn

So the "hope is still alive" scenario is:
Cornell beats D and Col to get to 5-2
Penn beats H
Pr beats Y
Y beats H

And it's 5-2 madness.

Quote from: Trotsky on November 08, 2025, 03:06:34 PMTD run for Carothers!

Who are these guys?!

A team with a quality coach at last?

Quote from: mike1960 on November 08, 2025, 02:52:23 PMTouchdown!!!

A block extra point is a live ball. Why were people standing around wondering what to do?

Kid who blocked it for Penn was my son's volleyball teammate in high school. Nice kid. And huge. Added sixty pounds at Penn.

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Quote from: chimpfood on November 07, 2025, 01:08:05 PMIf you actually read the deal there's nothing really problematic in there. Sure it feels icky to give the government 30 million to leave us alone but if we didn't do this they would just keep all of the research funding instead, which is a hell of a lot more. Not ideal circumstances but they had to do it to look out for their students and staff and I am glad they did.

From the pdf of the agreement:

"Cornell shall provide the United States with anonymizcd undergraduate admissions
data consistent with 34 C.F.R. § 100.6 and similar regulations broken down by
Cornell's individual colleges and schools, race, grade point average, and
performance on standardized tests, on a quarterly basis, in a form permitting
statistical analyses for each year of the Agreement. Admissions data will also be
subjected to a comprehensive audit by the United States. "

This meets my definition of really problematic (sorry to be snarky but I couldn't resist.  I enjoy your posts, and your efforts to curb thread drift)

Any person. Any study. Provided they are first deemed demographically worthy by the state.

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Quote from: Trotsky on November 07, 2025, 09:40:26 PMTo return to our opponents, despite taking the last four penalties of the game Yale came from two goals down to beat Q 4-2 tonight!

I'm pretty sure that was Yale's first win against Q since the championship game in 2013

Feb 2018 they said on the broadcast.

Quote from: BearLover on November 07, 2025, 02:23:38 PMYeah, let's just halt research for the next three years, fire thousands of people, cancel programs, operate under tremendous uncertainty, spend millions in legal fees. All for the benefit of...*checks notes* being the scorn of the Trump administration, being subject to more investigations, more fines, more frozen funds. Sorry, I hate the Trump administration as much ans anyone but I'm not going to blow up Cornell for no upside (actually, tremendous downside). 

You were harder on Ben Robertson being "disloyal" by transferring than you are on the Cornell administration paying a bribe. All for the benefit of... "*checks notes* ... being subject to more investigations, more fines, more frozen funds" and turning over demographic data to allege new ways in which privileged white kids are being harmed and start the cycle all over again. And that added bonus of being on the wrong side of history.  I'd love to be wrong but why should we expect anything less?

Quote from: chimpfood on November 07, 2025, 01:08:05 PMIf you actually read the deal there's nothing really problematic in there. Sure it feels icky to give the government 30 million to leave us alone but if we didn't do this they would just keep all of the research funding instead, which is a hell of a lot more. Not ideal circumstances but they had to do it to look out for their students and staff and I am glad they did.

Not problematic? Turning over applicant data to create the basis for the next "investigation" and shakedown?    The agreement says "we can still come at you again tomorrow."

Agreeing to this? https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1409486/dl

It's bad precedent and a stain on Cornell's reputation.

Quote from: BearLover on November 07, 2025, 12:46:31 PM

Quote from: Chris '03 on November 07, 2025, 12:14:55 PMhttps://statements.cornell.edu/2025/documents/cornell-settlement-agreement.pdf


Blech.

Seems like the best case scenario given the state of things.

Appeasement is rarely the best case scenario.

https://statements.cornell.edu/2025/documents/cornell-settlement-agreement.pdf


Blech.

Quote from: ugarte on November 06, 2025, 12:15:31 AM

Quote from: BearLover on November 05, 2025, 08:55:34 PMBecause KRACH is trying to rank teams the best it can based on a tiny sample of past performance, it isn't trying to tell you who  will come out on top in the future.

The point of KRACH (or NPI) for this discussion is to select teams to play in a postseason tournament. For that, I don't want something predictive. I want something that "ranks teams the best it can based on a tiny sample of past performance" and then let the teams slug it out on the ice and see if they can live up to their ranking. 

And to the extent we want to debate what the "right" way to do that is, it's always going to be subjective choice about what the inputs are. As Adam said, the committee wants to incentivize teams to schedule road games by making those wins have a higher value.  Because the committee feels that teams that all things being equal, a team that is willing to travel is more deserving a a spot in the tournament than a team that does not.  And they think that the current weighting does a reasonable job of that.  There are, of course, infinite ways to calibrate this incentive.

Most systems of selecting teams on objective criteria will put a team with a .900 winning percentage in the field. Just win and you're in.  The debate is around what the appropriate criteria are for picking between three or four similar teams for the last couple of spots based on a body of work that's about 38 games and the degree to which the criteria need to be "accurate."  Humans prioritize and the model reflects that priority.  It will never be accurate because the sample size is too low and the game is too variable.  It would otherwise be boring.  The selection system needs to be objective, published in advance, and fairly reflect the stated priorities of the committee.  Personally, I wouldn't hate a system that puts league regular season and tournament champions in the field and calls it a day.  Will the "best" teams all make it? No.  But people will argue that the "best" teams don't make it now either. Why should the fifth place team in NCHC who lost a first round playoff game play in the NCAA tournament anyway?

The gnashing of teeth around selection criteria and the relative closeness of teams ranked 5 and 12 or whatever, is part of why I remain in the neutral site NCAA camp.  A team could host a tournament game because it had an extra road game because of the way its conference scheduled vs its opponent who had a home game instead or because its AD insisted on an extra home date to cover expenses at a small school?  Neutral sites (in general) work to mitigate that issue.

Quote from: Trotsky on November 04, 2025, 04:37:38 PM

Quote from: Chris '03 on November 04, 2025, 06:42:29 AMAnd I wish they'd stayed in Bridgeport.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BrandNewSentence/

I think that sentence has been written many times. Mostly about industry and jobs....