Hobey Hat Trick

nyc94 · March 30, 2006, 12:14:12 PM

[quote Dafatone]If Elliott wins, it is also because the WCHA is so much more offensively orientated than the ECAC. Without getting into any debate about the quality of the two conferences, there's no question that WCHA is more offensive. So a 1.70 GAA from a WCHA goalie could be considered equal or better than the numbers McKee put up last year. I don't think they quite cover the difference, but given that Wisconsin is only a good (not great) scoring team, I wouldn't mind seeing Elliott get the award.

Of course, there's the debate on whether he is good, or it is simply defense. After our game with Wisconsin, I think the defense certainly helps, but Elliott's one hell of a goalie as well.[/quote]

I don't remember if it was on USCHO forum or the Wisconsin forum but someone said that the Dryden era teams would finish sixth in the WCHA today. Usually they reserve the middle of the WCHA for the top ECACHL or Hockey East teams of today.

Beeeej · March 30, 2006, 12:21:33 PM

[quote nyc94]I don't remember if it was on USCHO forum or the Wisconsin forum but someone said that the Dryden era teams would finish sixth in the WCHA today. Usually they reserve the middle of the WCHA for the top ECACHL or Hockey East teams of today.[/quote]

I don't even understand the point of those debates. If the Dryden era Cornell teams would finish sixth in the WCHA today, wouldn't the Dryden era Wisconsin teams finish eighth or tenth?!

Beeeej

Rosey · March 30, 2006, 12:23:50 PM

[quote nyc94]I don't remember if it was on USCHO forum or the Wisconsin forum but someone said that the Dryden era teams would finish sixth in the WCHA today. Usually they reserve the middle of the WCHA for the top ECACHL or Hockey East teams of today.[/quote]
How is this helpful?

Kyle

nyc94 · March 30, 2006, 12:27:11 PM

[quote krose]How is this helpful?

Kyle[/quote]

It's not. But usually we poke fun at how smug and superior the WCHA fans are e.g. how they will and did "skate circles around" the eastern competition. I just thought this took it to another level.

Rosey · March 30, 2006, 12:33:55 PM

[quote nyc94]It's not. But usually we poke fun at how smug and superior the WCHA fans are e.g. how they will and did "skate circles around" the eastern competition. I just thought this took it to another level.[/quote]
I guess my opinion on this particular topic is that today's teams are so well conditioned, coached, and scientific about winning that the Dryden-era teams would probably get hammered by Bemidji State. I suspect the level of play of college teams has gone up pretty much across the board over the past 40 years.

Kyle

ugarte · March 30, 2006, 01:09:05 PM

[quote krose][quote nyc94]It's not. But usually we poke fun at how smug and superior the WCHA fans are e.g. how they will and did "skate circles around" the eastern competition. I just thought this took it to another level.[/quote]
I guess my opinion on this particular topic is that today's teams are so well conditioned, coached, and scientific about winning that the Dryden-era teams would probably get hammered by Bemidji State. I suspect the level of play of college teams has gone up pretty much across the board over the past 40 years.

Kyle[/quote]I agree, but if those guys were born in the 80's, my guess is that they would be just as conditioned as the modern players and would win the national championship.

KeithK · March 30, 2006, 01:15:26 PM

[quote ugarte][quote krose][quote nyc94]It's not. But usually we poke fun at how smug and superior the WCHA fans are e.g. how they will and did "skate circles around" the eastern competition. I just thought this took it to another level.[/quote]
I guess my opinion on this particular topic is that today's teams are so well conditioned, coached, and scientific about winning that the Dryden-era teams would probably get hammered by Bemidji State. I suspect the level of play of college teams has gone up pretty much across the board over the past 40 years.

Kyle[/quote]I agree, but if those guys were born in the 80's, my guess is that they would be just as conditioned as the modern players and would win the national championship.[/quote]...and likewise if you took a team from today and took away all of their modern conditioning equipment and gear, etc. for a year they might not do very well playing 60's era teams. There is certainly more talent in the NCAAs today than there was in the 60's as evidenced by the growth of the sport. But it only makes sense to judge teams in the context of their times.

Rosey · March 30, 2006, 01:59:14 PM

[quote KeithK]But it only makes sense to judge teams in the context of their times.[/quote]
I agree. The gist of my post was simply that this debate is pointless. IMO, of course.

Kyle

Trotsky · March 30, 2006, 02:06:26 PM

[quote nyc94]I don't remember if it was on USCHO forum or the Wisconsin forum but someone said that the Dryden era teams would finish sixth in the WCHA today.[/quote]

They *would* all be in their sixties...

jkahn · March 30, 2006, 02:22:09 PM

[quote Trotsky][quote nyc94]I don't remember if it was on USCHO forum or the Wisconsin forum but someone said that the Dryden era teams would finish sixth in the WCHA today.[/quote]

They *would* all be in their sixties...[/quote]
Ken's only 58.

Rich S · March 31, 2006, 02:46:41 PM

[quote RatushnyFan][quote Al DeFlorio][quote bigred06]I'm amazed that Chris Collins was chosen over Ryan Potulny who scored 38 goals ( the last time somebody scored 38 goals was i believe in 1997 by Todd White).[/quote]
And Todd didn't win it either.:-/[/quote]And he didn't deserve to, either.[/quote]

That's your opinion and obviously one held by the largest number of the voters. But many (I don't recall if he finished 2nd or 3rd to Morrison in the voting) believed he was deserving, myself included, surprise, surprise. :-)

As for saying that White was a cherry picker, ugarte, your either trolling for reaction on your own board or you're crazy.

White was a superb two way player and anything but a cherry picker.

Trotsky · March 31, 2006, 02:50:46 PM

White was a great player.

Every big scorer has a touch of cherry-picker in him. I don't recall there being a rule that a cherry-picked goal only counts 3/5th due to poor form.

ugarte · March 31, 2006, 02:50:59 PM

[quote Rich S][quote RatushnyFan][quote Al DeFlorio][quote bigred06]I'm amazed that Chris Collins was chosen over Ryan Potulny who scored 38 goals ( the last time somebody scored 38 goals was i believe in 1997 by Todd White).[/quote]
And Todd didn't win it either.:-/[/quote]And he didn't deserve to, either.[/quote]As for saying that White was a cherry picker, ugarte, your either trolling for reaction on your own board or you're crazy.

White was a superb two way player and anything but a cherry picker.[/quote]And there it is. Of course, it wasn't me that called him a cherry picker. All I did was predict this post from Rich S.

Next prediction: The sun will rise tomorrow. Trust me. I'm good at this.

ugarte · March 31, 2006, 02:52:20 PM

[quote Trotsky]Every big scorer has a touch of cherry-picker in him. I don't recall there being a rule that a cherry-picked goal only counts 3/5th due to poor form.[/quote]Certainly not for White.

Drew · March 31, 2006, 03:14:04 PM

Why not?

It is debatable whether he deserved it,I think he was a better two way player than Morrison and his numbers are right there with everyone ---here are the runners up that year with goals and assists Chris Drury 25/29, Mike Crowley defense, Jason Blake 28/41, Mike Harder 22/33, Randy Robitaille 33/34 , Martin St. Louis 36/24, Brian Swanson 25/41, Todd White 38/36, John Madden 26/37 — Brendan Morrison 31/57 the winner.

It would have been nice for the ECACHL. Then again if "ifs" were fifths we'd all be drunk at Christmas.