Cornell vs. Clarkson, Game 2 POSTGAME

[scannon]

Maybe I hould clarify before RichS has a siezure. By faily innocuous I ment that he didn't pull a Burtuzzi (sp) and ram Dodge's head onto the boards. It looked to me as if OB had a hit lined up and just before he landed it Dodge slipped/tripped/ turned his back and became slightly off balance leading to him headbutting the boards.

It was probably a boarding penalty but I wouldn't say it justified 5mins, especially when the ref had been so easy on the whistle in OT.

[Josh '99]

[quote calgARI '07]The O'Byrne hit was a no-brainer five and a game.  Thought it was considerably worse than the Abbott major which I also thought was warranted.  What bothered me is that the linesman called it while the referee did not.  It was kind of like in the NHL where they have two referees and the closer one to the play doesn't make the call while the back one does.  I'm all for linesmen making calls behind the play, it just seemed weird that he made the call while the referee, who was staring right at it, did not.[/quote]Not the same thing.  In the NHL, the second ref who's further away from a play will often make a call that the ref who's closer won't because it's the trailing ref's job to keep an eye on stuff behind the play.  Those calls are typically things that the closer ref doesn't see because he's watching what's going on around the puck.  I agree with you (at least, I think this seems to be your point) that the linesman shouldn't make a call on a play that the ref sees and decides not to call, just pointing out that the analogy isn't really appropriate.

[Jim Hyla]

[quote fullofgas]What a weekend!  My ass hurts from sitting and my back hurts from standing.[/quote]So what hurts when you're lying.:-}

[canuck89]

I agree that Hansen actually showed restraint in OT, and this was good.  Many fans were upset more penalties weren't called but I prefer 5x5 play in OT periods, provided no glaring penalty occurs.  However, I do believe the game as a whole was reffed pretty poorly.  My biggest complaint is not fairness (I believe he fucks up both ways), it's his inconsistency.  I really wish the ECACHL would just get rid of him... :-(

[canuck89]

Yes, there was an earlier thread several weeks back on this topic:

http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,81355,81355#msg-81355

[canuck89]

[quote jmh30][quote calgARI '07]The O'Byrne hit was a no-brainer five and a game.  Thought it was considerably worse than the Abbott major which I also thought was warranted.  What bothered me is that the linesman called it while the referee did not.  It was kind of like in the NHL where they have two referees and the closer one to the play doesn't make the call while the back one does.  I'm all for linesmen making calls behind the play, it just seemed weird that he made the call while the referee, who was staring right at it, did not.[/quote]I agree with you (at least, I think this seems to be your point) that the linesman shouldn't make a call on a play that the ref sees and decides not to call, just pointing out that the analogy isn't really appropriate.[/quote]


I don't think Ari was saying that the linesman shouldn't have called it because the ref saw it and decided not to.  I think he was just pointing out the bad job that Hansen was doing.  If the linesman saw the penalty and called it, there is no reason why Hansen shouldn't have beat him to it.

[Jim Hyla]

[Q]The O'Byrne hit was a no-brainer five and a game. What bothered me is that the linesman called it while the referee did not.[/Q]Agree totally. The hit was at an angle from me so I couldn't see positioning, but Hansen could have seen it all and called nothing. I was, and still am until I check the rulebook, under the impression that asst. refs (linesmen if you prefer) were not to call penalties unless they thought the ref couldn't have see it.[Q]  Also, McKee sure looked very shaky.[/Q]I've wondered all year whether he's had something wrong, and whether that's part of what Coach was referring to with his "you'll be amazed when I tell you after the season" (not a perfect quote) remark.

[RedAR]

[Q] My favorite moment of the weekend was when Leggio freaked out and nearly killed himself after Moulson scored. [/Q]
In Leggio's defense (and this is not simply to a pacify idiot RichS), during the handshakes, Leggio went out of his way to congratulate McKee. That was pretty classy.

[TimV]

Much better than canned jockrocks.And I try to see Clarkson whenever I can because they are better than anyone but our own.  

Can't wait for them to come out with their mini-CD.:-D

[WillR]

[quote jtwcornell91][quote Will][quote Oat]They stayed around on the ice for a while after the game to salute their fans. I didn't know if this was acceptable or not. I guess it was, because otherwise Schafer would have gotten in their and used his hands to "safely guide them off the ice" like he did with Michigan State goons.[/quote]

I had no problem with Clarkson lingering on the ice for an additional minute to salute their fans.  Their season was over and they were thanking their fans for coming into a hostile opponent's rink to support their team.  We can be gracious enough to give them a final minute.[/quote]

Yeah, the problem with MSU was not that they saluted their fans, but that they "saluted" us first.[/quote]

I was all in favor of them staying to salute their fans for the reason give above.  More importantly it gave us an additional minute to salute our players at center ice.  It was a great way to go out of old Lynah and if Clarkson wants to lengthen the time we get to salute our team and the victory, the better.

Last night was awesome!

-WillR

[Jim Hyla]

[quote MNevin]One more thought --
Anyone else get tired of battle of the bands?  When Clarkson comes in, do the bands really have to fill every moment of dead air between periods?  I love pep bands, but geez, could they give it a rest once in a while?  Am I the only one who thinks that in some instances, pep bands (even good ones) become noise pollution after a while?  I really prefer opponents with lame bands.[/quote]NO, have you ever been to a game, such as SLU or Union (even at 'gate when they supposedly have a band), where you get the AHL style piped in music? Blah. How about at Rochester where our band had to play over the music. Keep the bands coming they make the atmosphere a lot more pleasant.

[redhair34]

If you have All-Access the check the archive of last nights game.  The hit is at 3 hrs. and 12 minutes mark on the video.  Make your own decision on the hit.  In my opinion, Dodge was facing up ice and then clearly turned back as O'Byrne was coming in to hit him.  At worse it looks like maybe a boarding call.  There is no way this hit was worse than Cam's on Hafner.  Cam plowed Hafner from about 2 1/2 feet away from the boards.  Dodge not only turned his back, but he was also right along the wall.

[DeltaOne81]

I'm not going to respond to any individual post, cause as I read the thread this morning there are like 5 tiny scattered things I want to respond to

- Re: "dirty" - I guess my definitely is that anything that isn't "a clean hit" is therefore "a dirty hit". Clean hits are not penalized. If you want to divide it into clean/dangerous(unintentional)/dirty(intentional), be my guest. But to me, unintentional and intentional/malicious are just sub-categories of dirty. If it's not clean, its dirty. Thats the terminology I was using, and that's all I meant - that it wasn't clean.


- That said, I disagree with Ari. Although I guess I'd need to see them side by side, I thought Cam's hit was much worse from what I remember. Harder, I mean the guy was bleeding pretty good from his forehead afterwards, and hit the boards with a good deal more force.

OB's hit may have been dirty - and/or dangerous ;-) - but it wasn't incredibly strong as hits from behind go.


- Re: George Roll & his clipboard (hey, can we get a clipboard chant of some kind for him next year ). Yes, I do think he thought there was no penalty being called. Jason thought that too first on the audio cast. He probably looked at ref, saw no hand up, and flipped out. That said, once again... thanks George! (For RichS only: George roll is the most fabulous, disciplined coach I've ever seen!)


- Re: Hansen: well, so much to say. But from what I saw, Hasen was awful, but consistently awful. He was calling about everything, including maybe things that never happened, until about 5 to 10 minutes left in the 3rd when he started calling nothing, except what he felt he really needed to call and/or matching minors.


- Re: class. Well, overall I'm not going to comment (or RichS only: Clarkson is the most classy wonderful team I've ever seen!), but I still get the feeling that Leggio was really mostly just generally upset. I mean the guy puts up over 100 saves in ~9 periods and his team can't win one for him. I think it was mainly frustration. It was undisciplined and stupid, but I suppose I can empathise. He worked his ass off.

And the embrace with McKee and Clarkson saluting their fans are classy things to do. I think when cooler heads prevail, they're a opponents that deserves respect. In the heat of the moment though, sometimes they may go a bit too far (for RichS only: I'm sure it has everything and only to do with them being young!)

[schoaff]

[quote calgARI '07]The O'Byrne hit was a no-brainer five and a game.  Thought it was considerably worse than the Abbott major which I also thought was warranted.[/quote]

You know, I'm only replying to this because I know RichS is going to pick up on it and quote you for the next decade to prove that Cornell Players are goons and try to kill random Clarkson players when they think the ref isn't looking.

I've watched the film at least a dozen times now. Did he shove the guy from behind and deserve a penalty? Probably, but after watching the replay closely, I'm not surprised that the ref didn't make the call initially. Watch the hit on the archive at about 3:12:30.

As O'Byrne reaches the player O'Byrne and the Clarkson player are already turning toward their right to play the puck. OB's gloves never come up above his waist, and although it looks like O'Byrne's left glove does shove the Clarkson player as he reached for the puck it looks like the Clarkson player was already on his way down (having perhaps lost an edge?) when O'Byrne reaches him. One could argue that it's even more dangerous to hit a player who's already falling in to the board, but it was pretty clear that both players were turning away from the boards and intent on playing the puck when they probably made contact.

It's kinda funny because I remembered exactly what everyone else did. I remembered O'Byrne skating straight toward the guy who went head first into the boards when he was hit. Turns out memory's a malleable thing. I watched the damn film so much trying to figure out what happened that I felt like I was in an Oliver Stone movie. "Back and to the left. Back and to the left." ;-)

So, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with Ari and say this hit was nothing like Abbott's against Harvard.

[billhoward]

Moulson showed the leadership -- even strength scoring leadership - the team has been seeking all year. Two OT goals in two nights, and at least this time it was allowed. Those at the far end who saw the Golden Knight stick smashing, cage thumping freakout moments later thought for a moment this was a disputed call.

We like to think of our guys as the good guys, but to have two players get five-minute majors seems unsporting. Everyone has a different viewpoint. I thought O'
Byrne got him from behind and didn't see it as "started to check from the side when suddenly he [Clarkson skater] turned his back on O'Byrne." It was an amazing PK, six-plus minutes worth including a previous penalty. Roll had a right to be concerned about a player who looked to be possibly badly hurt, but he knows the rulebook, and a coach on the ice call kept it from being a 5x3 for 3:25 (I believe) including the carryover. Cornell's PK was awesome Saturday (Clarkson was 0x9 on PP) but even a blind squirrel finds some nuts.

A lot penalties were called, but it didn't seem anything like the 2004 quarterfinal slugfest. Mostly in the first half of regulation, then a flurry once it looked like this was going to challenge the five-OT Yale/Union record.

The 2-1 margin on shots Saturday was awesome. Clarkson only had six shots on net in 30 minutes of OT -- and McKee was on his A game then, after a brief first-period respite when he missed the shot from center ice -- but there were a couple nail-biters as the puck slid across the crease or was dangerously loose in front. I'd guess there were a half-dozen if-only-X-happened differently chances where Clarkson could have scored in OT outside of the Clarkson power plays.

Leggio went through about three, four water bottles a period. Does the guy have to get up a lot during the night? Remember the water bottles for a cheer next year.

The Clarkson band was annoying only to those who heard them play. The sound didn't carry to the far reaches of the rink, thank goodness.

I sat in front of a couple Cornell women who think Topher ("Tophe") is totally good looking and cute. Gleed, too. Made an interesting alternative play-to-play to bringing an AM radio and hearing Jason Weinstein.

In addition to Section O, Clarkson got a bunch of Section H seats, but it appears a lot of Cornell fans scored those Clarkson seats. I did feel sorry (a little, for a little while) for two Clarkson kids there with their parents who really were crushed to see their Golden Knights go down the tubes. Hey, kids, pick your parents more carefully next time.

Very nice scene at the end when students, parents, townspeople and other fans got on the ice to mingle with the players and coaches. This is what makes college sports superior to the pros.

... and now that it's over, everyone who wished for a strong and seasoned opponent to help us prepare for Albany can breathe a sigh of relief.

Wrecking crew shows up Monday to start the Lynah upgrade. And yes, the locker room is at street level. You walk up and down a wide, rubber-padded set of stairs.

Update for older alumni: Alumni Field, formerly known as Upper Alumni Field in recognition that there used to be a Lower Alumni Field (RIP 1973, now Corson-Mudd Hall, Comstock Hall and the Biotechnology Building), is going, going, gone too, for a Life Sciences Technology Building on the west end. Damn those academic and research necessities. See a well-reasoned editorial in the Sun about the need to replace playing fields that were supposedly created in perpetuity for sports: http://www.cornellsun.com/media/paper866/news/2002/01/28/Opinion/Finding.Space.For.Athletics-1327788.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.cornellsun.com