Cornell vs. Clarkson, Game 2 POSTGAME

[Omie]

Saturday's and Friday's games were not only the longest and second longest in Lynah history, but also the 22nd and 29th (respectively) in NCAA men's hockey history.

[Oat]

My favorite moment of the weekend was when Leggio freaked out and nearly killed himself after Moulson scored. Grenzie went berserk too. These monkeys were so outwardly angry, banging their sticks everywhere and just going crazy George Roll style. The more upset they were, the happier I became. Did anyone get a video clip of that (also of George Roll throwing the clipboard like a five year-old)? Please share with the rest of us. If we have a big tron in the renovated Lynah next year, these clips should be played when Clarkson comes to town.

They stayed around on the ice for a while after the game to salute their fans. I didn't know if this was acceptable or not. I guess it was, because otherwise Schafer would have gotten in their and used his hands to "safely guide them off the ice" like he did with Michigan State goons.

I hope referee Dave Hansen is forced to resign. He is simply incompetent in my opinion. Other refs suck too (Murphy, Dell, etc..). But only once in a dozen lifetimes, will you see someone actually as bad as Dave Hansen.

[jtwcornell91]

[quote LynahFaithfulS][quote schoaff]Nice that Moulson had both OT winners[/quote]
i thought friday's was sawada...


though, i don't know what you mean here (so maybe you should ignore that last commment?)...
[quote schoaff](even if we had to convert the extra point after the first one).[/quote][/quote]

I believe schoaff was returning to Moulson's GWG at the end of the first OT Friday night.

[scoop85]

[quote DeltaOne81][quote redhair34][quote DeltaOne81]
It wasn't innocuous, it was a dirty hit. [/quote]

No it wasn't; Dodge turned his back at the last minute.[/quote]


That makes it a dirty hit. An unintentional one, as I said, but dirty.[/quote]

That makes no sense.  A "dirty" hit is one where a player makes knowingly and intentionally commits a penalty.  Since you acknowledge it was unintentional (and watching the replay, it seemed clear that it was), by definition it could not be "dirty."

[schoaff]

[quote DeltaOne81][quote redhair34][quote DeltaOne81]
It wasn't innocuous, it was a dirty hit. [/quote]

No it wasn't; Dodge turned his back at the last minute.[/quote]


That makes it a dirty hit. An unintentional one, as I said, but dirty.[/quote]

I think we're just using the term "Dirty" differently. It's a vague term without a set definition so people will use it differently so you're sentence would probably be better stated "That fits my definition of a dirty hit."

To me a dirty hit is one with malice aforethought and intent to injure. To me, a hit can be a legitimate penalty and even dangerous without being "dirty."

By *my* definition I'd say it was a potentially dangerous hit, but doesn't rise to the level of "dirty." If he really wanted to hurt the guy he would have hit him, not just give him a shove.

[Free11Skier]

I'm glad the game ended when it did.  I don't think I could have taken another OT period listening to Clarkson's 7 songs.  Having so few, you would think they would play them well, but no!

[jtwcornell91]

[quote Oat]If we have a big tron in the renovated Lynah next year, [/quote]

... I will throw up.  ::yark::

[jtwcornell91]

[quote Section A Banshee][quote MNevin]One more thought --
Anyone else get tired of battle of the bands?  When Clarkson comes in, do the bands really have to fill every moment of dead air between periods?  I love pep bands, but geez, could they give it a rest once in a while?  Am I the only one who thinks that in some instances, pep bands (even good ones) become noise pollution after a while?  I really prefer opponents with lame bands.[/quote]
:`(

I was just annoyed by the Clarkson band because they have the most limited folder in the ECAC now that Vermont's gone.  They duplicated every one of their cheers multiple times both nights because of the OT's, and even duplicated some of their sets for intermissions from one day to the next.  Eesh.  Buy a freaking chart, it won't kill you.[/quote]

They're still sulking because we stole their playlist in the 80s.

[jtwcornell91]

[quote RichH]I don't think you're right about the linesman calls needing to be majors.  CU @ BU in '01-'02, the linesman called a 2-minute minor at the end of the game that ended CU's hopes in game 1 of that series.  Schafer was livid.  Then again, maybe that was using "assistant referees" of Hockey Least.[/quote]

Guy's name was Tom Quinn.  They actually went to the trouble of getting a WZHA ref (Schmidt, I think) to call the game, and then the Hockey Least AR calls an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty late in the third period of a tie game when Baby checks someone into the bench right in front of the ref who didn't call anything! :-( :-( :-(

[Will]

[quote Oat]They stayed around on the ice for a while after the game to salute their fans. I didn't know if this was acceptable or not. I guess it was, because otherwise Schafer would have gotten in their and used his hands to "safely guide them off the ice" like he did with Michigan State goons.[/quote]

I had no problem with Clarkson lingering on the ice for an additional minute to salute their fans.  Their season was over and they were thanking their fans for coming into a hostile opponent's rink to support their team.  We can be gracious enough to give them a final minute.

[jtwcornell91]

[quote Will][quote Oat]They stayed around on the ice for a while after the game to salute their fans. I didn't know if this was acceptable or not. I guess it was, because otherwise Schafer would have gotten in their and used his hands to "safely guide them off the ice" like he did with Michigan State goons.[/quote]

I had no problem with Clarkson lingering on the ice for an additional minute to salute their fans.  Their season was over and they were thanking their fans for coming into a hostile opponent's rink to support their team.  We can be gracious enough to give them a final minute.[/quote]

Yeah, the problem with MSU was not that they saluted their fans, but that they "saluted" us first.

[calgARI '07]

The O'Byrne hit was a no-brainer five and a game.  Thought it was considerably worse than the Abbott major which I also thought was warranted.  What bothered me is that the linesman called it while the referee did not.  It was kind of like in the NHL where they have two referees and the closer one to the play doesn't make the call while the back one does.  I'm all for linesmen making calls behind the play, it just seemed weird that he made the call while the referee, who was staring right at it, did not.  Either way, it was definitely a major.  Roll should get a lot of props because Clarkson would have had an extended 5-on-3 if not for his freak out.  
Also, McKee sure looked very shaky.  Honestly, I don't understand how he could possibly go pro after some of the games he has had this year.  The team defense was absolutely unbelievable the entire weekend.  They had maybe seven breakdowns the whole weekend and Clarkson scored on four of them (their other goal was the one from center ice).  Didn't really think McKee could do much about any of the Friday goals and I thought he made a couple of big saves in the third period but last night he just did not look at all comfortable and it wasn't just the goal from center ice.

[Ben Rocky '04]

Do the teams get re-seeded if its not 'Gate, D-mouth, CU and Havard in Albany?  Do we move up to 2nd place if 'Gate loses tonight, and thus end up as the home team for one of our games?

[calgARI '07]

[quote Ben Rocky 04]Do the teams get re-seeded if its not 'Gate, D-mouth, CU and Havard in Albany?  Do we move up to 2nd place if 'Gate loses tonight, and thus end up at the home team for one of our games?[/quote]

Yeah, they reseed.  If Colgate loses tonight, Cornell plays the winner of Harvard-SLU.

[andyw2100]

[quote MNevin]George Roll did us a huge favor with his tantrum tonight.  That could easily have been the difference in this game.  If he didn't flip out, then his team would have had a huge 4 on 3 / 5 on 3 power play in OT, instead of the 3 on 3, brief 4 on 3, 4 on 4, 5 on 4 thing that we got with OB's penalty.  That could have been the end....and then their coach took away their best chance to win with his  wild temper tantrum. [/quote]

I was going to point this out as well. I saw Roll, after the first OT ended, as the players were leaving the ice, walk towards Hansen, and say "I apologize." I thought to myself that if Cornell pulls this one out, he should be apologizing to his players, for probably costing them the game.

And just what was he upset about in the first place? Did he not realize that the assistant ref had called the penalty, thinking it had gone uncalled?

On the topic of Hansen, I am usually a pretty harsh critic of ECAC reffing. But I actually think Hansen called two pretty good games. I think he exercised good restraint late in both games, and into the OTs. I think he was fairly consistent in what he was and wasn't calling, and called things both ways. I was particularly impressed with his slow whistle on scrums around the goalies, which actually led to a couple of Cornell goals. And we can't fault him for not allowing Moulson's goal in OT Friday night. The replay shows it being a goal by .1 seconds. It sounds like the puck was across the goal line (in the air, of course), but had not even snapped the twine by the time the buzzer went off. I'm willing to give Hansen that one. The one glaring exception is the hit on Glover near the end of regulation on Friday night. But other than that I think Hansen had a good series.

I'm a little surprised no one commented on the following. Maybe most people missed it. But as the players were skating off after a stoppage, and most players and officials were well ahead of them, a Clarkson player intentionally slashed Sawada on the back of the leg, causing Sawada's leg to buckle. Two of the three officials completely had their backs to this, so couldn't have been expected to see it. One official was only a little ahead of Sawada and the Clarkson goo...er...player, so might have seen it with his peripeheral vision, but apprently did not. I think he would have called it if he had seen it. It was one of the cheaper, more bush-league things I've seen in a long time.

Obligatory Praise of Opponent:The Clarkson player was smart enough to do it when no one was looking.
                      Andy W.