Cornell vs. Clarkson, Game 2 POSTGAME

[Tom Lento]

[quote scannon]I don't know the rule but some people around me were saying that if the lineman calls a foul, as happened for the OB penalty, it has to be a 5 min major.

Like I said, I don't know but that could explain how a fairly innocuous hit became such a big deal.[/quote]

Linesmen are allowed to call minor penalties in the NCAA - no requirement to make that a major.

[RichH]

[quote scannon]I don't know the rule but some people around me were saying that if the lineman calls a foul, as happened for the OB penalty, it has to be a 5 min major.

Like I said, I don't know but that could explain how a fairly innocuous hit became such a big deal.[/quote]

Well, it was a hit from behind, and Dodge was at the dangerous distance from the boards that they usually call it.  But watching the replay showed that O'B lined up the hit with Dodge facing him, as the hit was delivered, Dodge was in the process of turning his back, so it wound up being a hit from behind.  Not all that dirty, just unfortunate.  It had to be called.

I don't think you're right about the linesman calls needing to be majors.  CU @ BU in '01-'02, the linesman called a 2-minute minor at the end of the game that ended CU's hopes in game 1 of that series.  Schafer was livid.  Then again, maybe that was using "assistant referees" of Hockey Least.

[DeltaOne81]

[quote scannon]I don't know the rule but some people around me were saying that if the lineman calls a foul, as happened for the OB penalty, it has to be a 5 min major.

Like I said, I don't know but that could explain how a fairly innocuous hit became such a big deal.[/quote]

It wasn't innocuous, it was a dirty hit. Although probably unintentionally so (I honestly don't think O'Byrne went in to make a dirty hit, but he did). But 5 min plus misconduct was at the upper end.

[DeltaOne81]

Yeah, there's no rule about asst ref calls needing to be majors. I really doubt it.

[Cactus12]

Collegetown is alive with cheers of "lets go red!!!!"... it's beautiful

[canuck89]

Hansen just sucks... that's all there is to say (even though this issue really has nothing to do with him, haha).

[canuck89]

YES, they repeated so much and it didn't even sound good the first time.  By the way, what's up with the banjo?

[redhair34]

[quote DeltaOne81]
It wasn't innocuous, it was a dirty hit. [/quote]


No it wasn't; Dodge turned his back at the last minute.

[DeltaOne81]

[quote redhair34][quote DeltaOne81]
It wasn't innocuous, it was a dirty hit. [/quote]

No it wasn't; Dodge turned his back at the last minute.[/quote]


That makes it a dirty hit. An unintentional one, as I said, but dirty.

[canuck89]

Not quite, if it truly was at the last minute, it's not a penalty since O'Byrne can't stop (similar to hitting the quarterback in football after he throws the ball).  I did not see the play, but if O'Byrne had any chance to stop then it's a penalty.  Likewise, if the Clarkson player did turn his back to OB at the last second, that's definitely not a penalty (surely not a game misconduct, even in Hansen's book).

[redhair34]

[quote DeltaOne81][quote redhair34][quote DeltaOne81]
It wasn't innocuous, it was a dirty hit. [/quote]

No it wasn't; Dodge turned his back at the last minute.[/quote]


That makes it a dirty hit. An unintentional one, as I said, but dirty.[/quote]

I guess you and I have a different opinion of dirty.  For me, dirty and unintentional--especially when the player turns his back at the last second--are for the most part mutually exclusive.  Oh well...it seems like we're basically thinking the same thing.  I haven't checked the All-Access archive yet but when I do I'm going to watch the play again.  It looked to me (standing in E directly across from the hit) like Dodge felt O'Byrne push him and then flopped into the boards.  The guy was on the ice for like 20 seconds.  Then he went over to the bench and was goofing around with his teamates.  It looked to me like a half flop--the bump from O'Byrne might of knocked him to the ground but he did a great job milking it.  Also, everyone has mentioned Roll throwing his clipboard onto the ice but I also thought I saw a Clarkson player jump onto the ice.  Anyone else notice that?

[ben03]

for the record, the referee was Dave Hansen, not Scott who is quite notorious for controlling the outcome of games.

[DeltaOne81]

[quote redhair34][quote DeltaOne81][quote redhair34][quote DeltaOne81]
It wasn't innocuous, it was a dirty hit. [/quote]

No it wasn't; Dodge turned his back at the last minute.[/quote]


That makes it a dirty hit. An unintentional one, as I said, but dirty.[/quote]

I guess you and I have a different opinion of dirty.  For me, dirty and unintentional--especially when the player turns his back at the last second--are for the most part mutually exclusive.  Oh well...it seems like we're basically thinking the same thing.  I haven't checked the All-Access archive yet but when I do I'm going to watch the play again.  It looked to me (standing in E directly across from the hit) like Dodge felt O'Byrne push him and then flopped into the boards.  The guy was on the ice for like 20 seconds.  Then he went over to the bench and was goofing around with his teamates.  It looked to me like a half flop--the bump from O'Byrne might of knocked him to the ground but he did a great job milking it.  Also, everyone has mentioned Roll throwing his clipboard onto the ice but I also thought I saw a Clarkson player jump onto the ice.  Anyone else notice that?[/quote]

Well I didnt say he couldn't've been faking. I make no comment on that

I think dirty has entirely to do with how you hit them - the details of the physical contact. If you skate into someone and your elbow smashes their face, it can be dirty, but unintentional - but its still a penalty.

Yes, if it was at the absolute last second, there's an exception, but I really don't feel that was the case here. O'Byrne was definitely moving towards him, but really, you just don't knock someone down against the boards, unless *maybe* if they're facing you directly. Its just not worth it.

[BMac]

Well, the band (our band) gets huge props for fulfilling our "Pinball! Pinball! Pinball!" cheer between the second and third... they even hackled the other band to hurry up so they could start!

Thanks, band! (the front of section A is greateful!)

[Omie]

[Q]
Posted by: Omie (---.tvlres.jcu.edu.au)
Date: March 06, 2006 12:07AM


Dartmouth- 2-1
'Gate over Q- 2-1 (I wanna root for Q so bad)
Big Red over Tech- 2-0
SLU over Sucks- 2-1

One if not both CU-CU games will go to OT.[/Q]

Just wanna say... IM SOOOO FREAKING HAPPY!!! LETS GO RED!!!!!
Albany here we come! (hopefully twice!)
plus i called the CU-CU series with the OTs