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[nyc94]

[quote Robb]I also don't buy the "bias" position (nyc94), that peoples' biases are so ingrained and subconscious that they can't be trusted to make their own decisions - someone has to watch out over them to be sure they do the right thing.[/quote]

I wasn't the one that said that.

[DeltaOne81]

[quote nyc94][quote Robb]I also don't buy the "bias" position (nyc94), that peoples' biases are so ingrained and subconscious that they can't be trusted to make their own decisions - someone has to watch out over them to be sure they do the right thing. Classic Big Brother liberalism, if you ask me.[/quote]

I wasn't the one that said that.[/quote]

I think you were referring to something I said that nyc94 tried to quote and messed up the formatting.

But once again, you're interpreting things I never said. Just like I never said that race and gender were the key to diversity, at no point did I suggest any government intervention or big brother liberalism.

The *only* thing I said is that lack of diversity in all walks of life (background, philsophy, religion, education, income level, geographical origin, race, and gender) *is* a problem. Period. I did not suggest any specific solution, and I certainly didn't suggest government involvement.

The *only* thing I was arguing was facetimer's point, and your agreement, that lack of diversity isn't an issue. I merely said its a problem and is something we should be aware of and concerned about.

[Trotsky]

[quote Robb][quote DeltaOne]
The so what is that diversity in thought prevents group think and brings in other perspectives which are vital to any creatives process including (and I would maybe even say especially) science, math, and engineering. People with different life experiences produce different perspectives on problems and contribute to the diversity of thought and problem solving methods. It produces better, more efficient, and more creative solutions to problems.[/quote]

I suppose that's possible, but if it were true, why aren't there some "diverse" companies out there kicking the crap out of Big Honky, Inc?[/quote]

First, what does "Big Honky, Inc" trade under on NASDAQ? I'd like to short them, considering that a close subsidiary recently turned in subpar quarterly numbers: http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?5,86334

Secondly, "diversity in thought" has zippo to do with diversity of gender, race, family background, or hockey affiliation.  One in (at best) 100 people actually operate from an original perspective, and that Talented Oneth is just as likely to be an aristo or a prole -- it's lightning, not social standpoint.  The only reason why 40 white males in a board room likely all think the same way is that 40 *anybodys* in a board room likely all think the same way.  True innovative thought is as rare as perfect pitch, and as defiant of prediction or classification.

We started "diversity" pushes in order to further the cause of The High Church of Meritocracy.  It used to be that if you were a minority or a woman you were by definition (in all but a very few cases) powerless.  Giving those people a shot required more than just allowing the wheel to grind happily onwards.  So, race and gender obsession was born.  All well and good.

The screw-up was identifying the biased-against groups by skin color and plumbing, rather than by privilege.  We now assume that because we've got  inclusion relative to those personal characteristics, we've become an equal opportunity society, whereas all we've done is taken the same rank-ordering that used to exist for the benefit of privileged white males and extended it so that children of privileged blacks now have a chance equal to children of privileged whites.

That may have been a necessary interim step, to get rid of all the misconceptions of innate ability (although I guess Summers demonstrates that even that isn't finished yet).  But it is hardly the whole ballgame.

[Beeeej]

[quote DeltaOne81]ask yourself how likely you are to hire someone, versus how likely you would be to hire the same person if you found out they were a Cornellian... or even now a Cornell hockey fan.[/quote]

That depends - do I need them to work on Fridays?

Beeeej

[Ken\'70]

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