Bill Gates Hall > goodbye Hoy Field?

[Ben]

Looking at The Master Plan™, Hoy Road will survive, although Rhodes will not be replaced when its lifespan is up.

I thought the road was being eliminated so I'm very wrong.  In looking at the plan for the first time in a while it looks like Hoy Road is being moved to line up with Garden Ave.  It would thread between the parking garage on one side and Gates Hall and a second building on the field on the other.  Maybe there is an updated plan but this is what I just looked at: http://www.masterplan.cornell.edu/doc/CMP_PART_2/Zones/05_GardenAvenue.pdf

Maybe I missed something - is Day Hall being redeveloped or considered for redevelopment?  I notice on the third page of the linked PDF that it's shown in the colors indicating "potential building footprint" rather than any of the colors indicating the various types of existing buildings.

If you go to the plan for Zone 2 (West Central), it says that Day Hall is going to be replaced.

[Trotsky]

Most perplexing, though, is the designation of Uris and Bradfield -- the two ugliest prominent buildings on campus -- as "buildings with architectural merit."

First of all, the Johnson Art Museum is still the ugliest building on campus.

But I kinda like Bradfield.  It's so bizarre and out of place that it's more of a joke than an insult like Uris.

[Ben]

Most perplexing, though, is the designation of Uris and Bradfield -- the two ugliest prominent buildings on campus -- as "buildings with architectural merit."

First of all, the Johnson Art Museum is still the ugliest building on campus.

But I kinda like Bradfield.  It's so bizarre and out of place that it's more of a joke than an insult like Uris.

The Johnson Museum is pushed far enough off to the side of the slope that I can block it out of my mind. Uris is ALWAYS THERE. And Bradfield is prominent as well. Some of the Engineering buildings and everything between Baker and MVR is pretty ugly, but those aren't in the thick of things.

[nyc94]

Looking at The Master Plan™, Hoy Road will survive, although Rhodes will not be replaced when its lifespan is up.

I thought the road was being eliminated so I'm very wrong.  In looking at the plan for the first time in a while it looks like Hoy Road is being moved to line up with Garden Ave.  It would thread between the parking garage on one side and Gates Hall and a second building on the field on the other.  Maybe there is an updated plan but this is what I just looked at: http://www.masterplan.cornell.edu/doc/CMP_PART_2/Zones/05_GardenAvenue.pdf

I was looking at the part for Zone 3 (Hoy Green)...and we're both partly right. It looks like the final development extends Garden Avenue to Hoy Road, which will eventually be split next to the open space between the north edge of Rhodes and the south end of Phillips in order to create an open green between Upson/Phillips and the building that will go up along Hoy Field's third base line.

It's like they are creating a secondary engineering quad but one side of it is going to be the backside of existing buildings - Philips and Upson - including their charming loading docks and industrial gas tanks.  They leave enough of the north end of Hoy Road intact to allow access to Philips.  And that's what Gates Hall will front on, not the newly moved Hoy Road.  I never felt like that area was much of a "gateway" to the campus before but now it's going to being running alongside the parking garage.

And to go off on a rant, if they are thinking long term I would have thought eventually they would design and build something that exceeds their immediate space requirements so they could shuffle departments and start demolition of the truly obsolete buildings like Carpenter.  If and when Carpenter and Hollister come down I hope the replacement does the location justice.

[Josh '99]

I never felt like that area was much of a "gateway" to the campus before but now it's going to being running alongside the parking garage.

Do you mean figuratively or literally?  Figuratively speaking, it's not a "wow, I'm entering campus, this is impressive" gateway, but literally speaking, and speaking for myself, since I'm generally coming from the NYC area that's almost always the way I do enter campus, so literally speaking it is a gateway for me and, I would guess, a lot of alumni.

[Josh '99]

Looking at The Master Plan™, Hoy Road will survive, although Rhodes will not be replaced when its lifespan is up.

I thought the road was being eliminated so I'm very wrong.  In looking at the plan for the first time in a while it looks like Hoy Road is being moved to line up with Garden Ave.  It would thread between the parking garage on one side and Gates Hall and a second building on the field on the other.  Maybe there is an updated plan but this is what I just looked at: http://www.masterplan.cornell.edu/doc/CMP_PART_2/Zones/05_GardenAvenue.pdf

Maybe I missed something - is Day Hall being redeveloped or considered for redevelopment?  I notice on the third page of the linked PDF that it's shown in the colors indicating "potential building footprint" rather than any of the colors indicating the various types of existing buildings.

If you go to the plan for Zone 2 (West Central), it says that Day Hall is going to be replaced.

Thanks - it's really a fascinating read to page through the Master Plan and see where things might be headed long term.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

I never felt like that area was much of a "gateway" to the campus before but now it's going to being running alongside the parking garage.

Do you mean figuratively or literally?  Figuratively speaking, it's not a "wow, I'm entering campus, this is impressive" gateway, but literally speaking, and speaking for myself, since I'm generally coming from the NYC area that's almost always the way I do enter campus, so literally speaking it is a gateway for me and, I would guess, a lot of alumni.

It is for me, too.  But I kind of think of Bradfield as my landmark.  When I see that, I know I'm "home"

[KeithK]

Most perplexing, though, is the designation of Uris and Bradfield -- the two ugliest prominent buildings on campus -- as "buildings with architectural merit."

How much more awesome does Goldwin Smith look when you see Uris if you turn your head the other way?

Uris and Bradfield have immense architectural merit.  As object lessons.

[billhoward]

I never felt like that area was much of a "gateway" to the campus before but now it's going to being running alongside the parking garage.

Do you mean figuratively or literally?  Figuratively speaking, it's not a "wow, I'm entering campus, this is impressive" gateway, but literally speaking, and speaking for myself, since I'm generally coming from the NYC area that's almost always the way I do enter campus, so literally speaking it is a gateway for me and, I would guess, a lot of alumni.

It is for me, too.  But I kind of think of Bradfield as my landmark.  When I see that, I know I'm "home"

"When I see that, I know I'm not homely. In comparison."

[nyc94]

I never felt like that area was much of a "gateway" to the campus before but now it's going to being running alongside the parking garage.

Do you mean figuratively or literally?  Figuratively speaking, it's not a "wow, I'm entering campus, this is impressive" gateway, but literally speaking, and speaking for myself, since I'm generally coming from the NYC area that's almost always the way I do enter campus, so literally speaking it is a gateway for me and, I would guess, a lot of alumni.

I meant it figuratively.  I'm sure it gets lots of use although not by me.

[David Harding]

They want it near Engineering and Ag, that doesn't leave too many options....

http://www.cornellsun.com/media/paper866/news/2006/01/26/News/Gates.Foundation.Gives.25.Million.For.Building-1505285.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.cornellsun.com

Cornell Chronicle reports on the opening of Gates Hall.  Nice view of Hoy Field through the windows.

[David Harding]

They want it near Engineering and Ag, that doesn't leave too many options....

http://www.cornellsun.com/media/paper866/news/2006/01/26/News/Gates.Foundation.Gives.25.Million.For.Building-1505285.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.cornellsun.com

Cornell Chronicle reports on the opening of Gates Hall.  Nice view of Hoy Field through the windows.

Bill Gates to attend dedication October 1.  http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2014/03/bill-gates-attend-dedication-bill-melinda-gates-hall

[David Harding]

Is this the building that does in Hoy Field? https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2020/12/gift-ann-s-bowers-59-creates-new-college-computing-and-information-science  Another CIS building housing the new Cornell Ann S. Bowers College of Computing and Information Science.  You might expect the new building to be close to Gates Hall..  Assuming that they don't tear down anything to make space, there aren't many options.  The announcement of the new Atkinson Center https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2021/03/atkinsons-30m-gift-name-multidisciplinary-building makes its location clear, but I don't see a hint in the story about Bowers.

[George64]

Is this the building that does in Hoy Field? https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2020/12/gift-ann-s-bowers-59-creates-new-college-computing-and-information-science  Another CIS building housing the new Cornell Ann S. Bowers College of Computing and Information Science.  You might expect the new building to be close to Gates Hall..  Assuming that they don't tear down anything to make space, there aren't many options.  The announcement of the new Atkinson Center https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2021/03/atkinsons-30m-gift-name-multidisciplinary-building makes its location clear, but I don't see a hint in the story about Bowers.

Or possibly the tennis courts between Hoy Road and Cascadilla Creek, just southeast of Rhodes Hall?  I assume intercollegiate tennis now all takes place at Reis Center and additional courts could be located on North Campus.

[David Harding]

Is this the building that does in Hoy Field? https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2020/12/gift-ann-s-bowers-59-creates-new-college-computing-and-information-science  Another CIS building housing the new Cornell Ann S. Bowers College of Computing and Information Science.  You might expect the new building to be close to Gates Hall..  Assuming that they don't tear down anything to make space, there aren't many options.  The announcement of the new Atkinson Center https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2021/03/atkinsons-30m-gift-name-multidisciplinary-building makes its location clear, but I don't see a hint in the story about Bowers.

Or possibly the tennis courts between Hoy Road and Cascadilla Creek, just southeast of Rhodes Hall?  I assume intercollegiate tennis now all takes place at Reis Center and additional courts could be located on North Campus.

Rhodes Hall was hard enough to build overlooking the gorge that I am very skeptical on the tennis courts site down so close to the creek. The Master Plan says turn Hoy Field into Hoy Quad with a couple of buildings.