How To Be a Good Fan

[RichS]

Actually, I do have a pretty good idea what it was about having heard it first hand afterwards.  Your comments are "asinine", to use your word.

And yes, there was a game-ending ruckus which resulted from some rough stuff in the last few minutes and that contributed to the goings-on after the game ended.

The look on Parker's face said it all, he was stunned when Schafer got right in his face and let him have it.  Perhaps Schafer thought he was still dealing with Morris with whom there was no love lost.   LOL.

I watched him jump into the conversation Parker was having with an official.  That's not generally done as a coach, at any level, usually respects another coach's having his "time" talking with an official.  That' s the way it's supposed to be.

In this case, Schafer should have had nothing to beef about after that game, which he won, and the late game calls.

[RichH]

OK, RichS wants to fight??  Fine...I usually don't jump into fights very often.  


[Q]RichS Wrote:

In terms of qualifying for the NCAA field, the playoff championship is more significant, although as I pointed out, at one time they were equal.  [/Q]
Smart of you to qualify with your first eight words.  Overall, they were never equal.  I believed that in the '90s, and I believe it now.  Winning the tournament got you the Conference Championship.  Finishing first in the regular season got you the #1 seed in the tournament to eventually decide the Conference Championship.

[Q]But minimizing winning the RS championship disrespects the efforts made by players and coaches over the long haul of the season.  Have you ever played or coached a team in a similar set up?  If so, I imagine you'd feel differently.[/Q]
OK, fair enough.  I'll go by the reactions of the team and coaches when they were "awarded" this superfluous, made-up trophy for the first time to see what it really meant to them.  It was handled like it contained a virus.  Hagwell gave it to the captain, who immediately tried to give it to Schafer.  Schafer wouldn't touch it, so it was skated immediately over to the bench.  It wasn't passed around the team.  No arms were raised.  As a fan, I don't feel the least bit guilty minimizing that accomplishment if the team and coaches do the same.

Schafer makes the postseason a priority.

[Q]It was all to convenient for many people here to trash Clarkson's winning the RS and not the plaoff crown [/Q]
If by "trashing" you mean "correcting the use of the word 'Champion,'" it wasn't convenient, it was the truth.  I said it before, RichS...I refuse to be hypocritical about this point.  No matter how hard you try to get me to say that the regular season is more important now that Cornell is winning it, I won't do it.  The Whitelaw is the only cup I give a flip for.  It was true throughout the '90s, and it's true today.

If Cornell doesn't win in Albany (a very real possibility, given the strength of the top 5 teams), you can email me and scream at me that Cornell aren't ECAC Champions, because it'd be the truth.  The only Championship Cornell has won so far in 2005 is the Ivy League Championship.

[Q] at the time, if Clarkson were such a poor team, where were all the other ECAC teams and why weren't they there to do better?[/Q]
First, we never said those Clarkson teams were "poor," just that they weren't League Champions for finishing first in the regular season.  To answer your question...the years that Clarkson didn't win the League Championship, another team did.  And they WERE in the NCAAs like Clarkson was.

[Q]cornell has done better in recent years as did Slt Lawrence one year and that's great for the league but you guys insist on beating a dead horse.  [/Q]
Who brought up this topic again?  Oh right:
[Q]Posted by RichS on March 1, 2005

yeah, because cornell didn't win it...lol. Seems to have acquired a bit more meaning in more recent years. :-D[/Q]

[Q]Focus on supporting your team and stop the childish bashing of others.[/Q]
Hmmm....a sentence with the words "practice" and "preach" just jumped into my head.  Find me a post of mine here where I childishly bash you.  I've never even bashed or trashed Clarkson or any of their teams, past or present.  All I've spelled out my beliefs in a rational manner.

[Q]If I interpret your statement correctly, I imagine Schafer and his boys pissed in the Cleary Cup? [/Q]
I have no knowledge what the Cornell team did.  I'm using what's called a metaphor.

[Q] And grow up and get over your hate for Cleary.  It's really getting old and pathetic.[/q]
Grow up?  I really don't think any of this discussion has been childish.  You need to calm down when some of your rivals' fans disagree with you.

Hate for Cleary?  I don't think my posts show a hate for the human being known as Bill Cleary.  I've never met the man.  His coaching career ended before I even saw a college hockey game.  The only time I've even laid eyes on him was when he came out onto the ice in Lake Placid in 2002 to be honored by the league.  I applauded him and his dedication to his school and the league.  I have absolutely no hate for the man.  The only time I've used the word "Cleary" is when I refer to the cup that happens to bear his name.  I think the cup that bears his name is unnecessary and meaningless, and I would feel that way if it were named after Morris, Taylor, Noeth, Murphy, Gilligan, McCutcheon, Bertrand, Harkness, or Ezra Cornell himself.

[Josh '99]

[Q]RichS Wrote:
His team was clearly better and he even benefitted from questionable officiating...so why make an ass of yourself?[/q]One man's "questionable officiating" is another man's "Clarkson under Morris was often a dirty team".  *shrug*

[ben03]

[Q]RichS Wrote:

 Unlike you, apparently, I was there and heard the aftermath.  It was none of Schafer's business but I suppose since the game was on his home ice, he felt compelled to act like a jerk in front of his supportive fans.

Would have been nice had he at least shook Parker's hand however.[/q]
i believe you are refering to this game:
http://db.elynah.com/game.php?game=65
http://www.uscho.com/recaps/20022003/m/01/24/ckn-cor.php

[Calm rational tone]
IIRC, the end of that game was more than a bit heated (see box score) and Parker was slow to leave the ice. He was all over Fulton in the ref's crease at center ice so Schafer went over to get him to leave the ice (a custom of respect for the home team). when whatever exchange took place he got an earful from Schafer ... no one can say who's right and who's not (no one here was on the ice to hear what exactly was said) but it's safe to say neither coach was as professional as they should have been. [/Calm rational tone]

[daredevilcu]

...nobody plays A flats to start the Lets Go Tech cheers... where on earth did you get that idea?

The Clarkson Band only swore en masse once all night, and it was because it was part of our version of your Alma Mater that we can't get away with at Lynah, so you never heard it.  The rest was student section.  I know you've never banged drums at Lynah, and that's fine.  We're able to get away with it in Cheel because its our home ice and we have done it for years.  I doubt that you would be penalized if you started doing that and did it for every cheer, all game.  Same deal, though -- get warned, stop.

There are a few cheers that a couple instruments play during play that are short (the price is wrong) which we can ONLY get away with at Cheel.  Drums, we've pulled other places.  Basically, as long as the instruments aren't so loud that the refs feel it could distract/disturb players, then you can get away with it.  No matter who you are, it's a judgement call by the officials anyway.

We also pretty much gave up on the lighters -- it doesn't go over that well except for being funny, people are stupid and burn their hands, and nowadays a lot of people wave cell phones instead of lighters anyway.


I got a kick out of you guys bringing newspapers to Cheel.  With half the arena doing that, the effect is cool.  With 20 people doing it, and throwing the papers into the net behind the goal... well basically it make you look stupid.  You would've looked even dumber had one reached the ice, though.

[chris95]

     I had to really laugh when I saw the sheet on this post.  I was sitting with a bunch of other alumni at the opposite end from the band and some old lady and her husband rooting for Clarkson sitting in front of me winced every time I yelled things like "Let's Go Red!".  She finally told me something to the effect that I was old enough (I am 32) that I didn't need to cheer so loudly and should act more reserved.  I was polite, but I thought of saying if they had alumni with pride in their school like us they might not have so many empty seats, let alone that it was a hockey game and not a golf tournament or a play.   Our whole section including some people in their 60's thought the lady was out of her mind.  I think the cheer sheet just goes to show what kind of fans they have right now and how great our fans really are.

[RichS]

Right...just like cornell under Schafer in the early years.

[Ben Rocky '04]

You root for a goon squad.  Get over it!

[RichS]

There's nothing for me to get over.  I've supported my team steadfastly for many years.

OTOH, your team is coached by a guy who was cheered with "Kill, Schafer, Kill".  So, who's the goon here?:-}

[Josh '99]

[Q]RichS Wrote:
Right...just like cornell under Schafer in the early years.[/q]That's a wonderful comeback.  Seems to me that it boils down to "No, you are!"

I think you may be spending too much time with your midgets and peewees, Rich, you're starting to sound like a fifth grader.

By the way, I've got a video clip of Ken Scuderi shooting a puck at Mike Schafer to back me up, along with statistics that say that Clarkson was penalized more than Cornell in each of Schafer's first three years (the "early years" you speak of), and in 7 the first 9 years of Schafer's tenure at Cornell, including an astronomical 710 penalty minutes (by far the most in the ECAC, and fully 200 more then Cornell) in Morris' last year as coach.  What do you have?  The rolleyes smiley?

[ugarte]

[Q]RichS Wrote:

[Q2]jmh30 Wrote:

 [Q2]RichS Wrote:
His team was clearly better and he even benefitted from questionable officiating...so why make an ass of yourself?[/Q]
One man's "questionable officiating" is another man's "Clarkson under Morris was often a dirty team".  *shrug*[/q]
Right...just like cornell under Schafer in the early years.[/q] It was a slander then and it is a slander now.

A quick comparison of "dirty" Cornell under Schafer vs. Clarkson:

Year     Cornell PIM    Clarkson PIM
95-96   792                937
96-97   ?                    ?
97-98   595                 747
98-99   569                 550
99-00   543                 518
00-01   417                 442
01-02   458                 663
02-03   499                 710

That was some year you put together under Gentleman Fred Parker.

Edit: Maybe I shouldn't use words like "slander" when the number 792 is sitting there, but at least "glass houses" seems appropriate.

[ugarte]

[Q]jmh30 Wrote:I've got ... statistics that say that Clarkson was penalized more than Cornell in each of Schafer's first three years (the "early years" you speak of), and in 7 the first 9 years of Schafer's tenure at Cornell, including an astronomical 710 penalty minutes (by far the most in the ECAC, and fully 200 more then Cornell) in Morris' last year as coach.  What do you have?  The rolleyes smiley?[/q]Great minds think alike...

[DeltaOne81]

Okay, it was at least somewhat interesting when you were debating the value of the regular season vs. post season 'winners' (I'll avoid using "title" or "champion" to refer to them not too take a side - plus, we all know "Regular Season" doesn't deserve "Champion" after it ;-) ).

But now that we've gotten into a "who's team is goonier" debate, well, its not worth it. This is degrading into USCHO a little too much for my liking  ::help::

[ben03]

[enter BU and North Dakota fans]

:-D

[jeh25]

[Q]RichS Wrote:

 There's nothing for me to get over.  I've supported my team steadfastly for many years.

OTOH, your team is coached by a guy who was cheered with "Kill, Schafer, Kill".  So, who's the goon here?[/q]