How To Be a Good Fan

[billhoward]

Clarkson notes its regular season championships because one crows about what you've got.

RS championships (being nice here and not typing RS "championships") (9)
2000-01  Clarkson          
1998-99  Clarkson          
1996-97  Clarkson          
1994-95  Clarkson          
1990-91  Clarkson          
1981-82  Clarkson          
1980-81  Clarkson          
1976-77  Clarkson          
1965-66  Clarkson

ECAC tournament championships (4)      
1998-99  Clarkson  
1992-93  Clarkson  
1990-91  Clarkson  
1965-66  Clarkson  

In sporting circles, four playoff championships to show for the nine times you went in as top seed ... would be called a, er, what's that word when you have a fish bone caught in the throat?


With Cornell, its cup runneth over with ECAC tournament titles and the RS titles are nice secondary trinkets, as is the Ivy title (mostly it's nice to win the Ivies to make sure Harvard doesn't win it).  

ECAC RS titles (
2004-05 Cornell
2002-03  Cornell
2001-02  Cornell
1972-73  Cornell
1971-72  Cornell
1969-70  Cornell
1968-69  Cornell
1967-68  Cornell

Tournament titles (10 and counting)
2004-05 Cornell
2002-03 Cornell
1996-97 Cornell  
1995-96 Cornell  
1985-86 Cornell  
1979-80 Cornell  
1972-73 Cornell
1969-70 Cornell  
1968-69 Cornell  
1967-68 Cornell  
1966-67 Cornell

A Clarkson fan could point out it has had more ECAC players of the year, 7-5, than Cornell, although it's unlikely the margin will widen this year. In fact, it could well narrow to 7-6.


There's a saying that the French give out lots of medals because they don't win many wars. Same way, apparently, why one counts RS titles when there are post-season tournaments that decides who plays further.

[ben03]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:
Tournament titles (10 and counting)
2004-05 Cornell
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did i miss something here bill???  ::screwy::

[ganderson]

[Q]ben03 Wrote:

 [Q2]billhoward Wrote:
Tournament titles (10 and counting)
2004-05 Cornell
[/Q]
did i miss something here bill???[/q]

Presumably that's the "and counting" portion.  It's also the kind of woofing that blows shut-outs if you believe in that sort of thing.  And even if you don't, [as polite as possible] knock it off [/as polite as possible]

[RichS]

Decorum prevents me from typing here what some "faithful" yelled at me a few years ago when I stood at Lynah and yelled "Lets Go Tech" a few times.

Not only from the adjoining section but also from the band across the ice.  It was clearly audible...and priceless to say the least.

[RichS]

Nah, just another example of red arrogance...as in "why bother showing up in Albany guys...you know we'll win the only games that matter".

Like you guys, I couldn't resist.

[jtwcornell91]

[Q]daredevilcu Wrote:
I got a kick out of you guys bringing newspapers to Cheel.  With half the arena doing that, the effect is cool.  With 20 people doing it, and throwing the papers into the net behind the goal... well basically it make you look stupid.  You would've looked even dumber had one reached the ice, though.[/q]

Hmm, we're supposed to throw them at each other on the road.  But I guess if they knew the net would catch them all.

We do the newspaper thing even when it's just six of us in Florida.  (Although we do try to pass out extra paper to the people around us.)  The hard part is remembering to bring a newspaper to the game on a road trip.

[RichS]

Well, at least MOST of the 3836 would say that, i.e., those being the home fans in attendance.   Does that make it fact?  Not a chance.

I'm recalling that in my 3 years of coaching HS hockey here in NJ, I must have ducked out of the way of four or five pucks that were flew over the bench and came towards me.  Did I think any one of those kids were aiming at me or anyone else on our bench?

Nope, I was just glad that this old goalie's eyes and reactions were both good enough to get out of the way.  Only someone with an inflated ego would have a first thought that he was the target of a player.

As noted, Schafer was probably glad he wasn't hit.  Which leaves you guys with the ego problem...:-D

[billhoward]

[Q]RichS Wrote:  Decorum prevents me from typing here what some "faithful" yelled at me a few years ago when I stood at Lynah and yelled "Lets Go Tech" a few times. Not only from the adjoining section but also from the band across the ice.  It was clearly audible...and priceless to say the least. [/q]You say a fan wearing red, presumably a Cornell fan, said something that hurt your sense of self-esteem? That can be a bummer. One's sense of self-worth is so important and to have it trampled in a friendly sporting event ... [sigh].  I'm sure the collective eLynah community would like to extend its heartfelt regrets.

We're feeling a little down ourselves because our Big Red doesn't get to play this Friday and Saturday. Your team is so lucky to have games for its faithful to play.

[billhoward]

My bad. I thought I took that extra championship line out before it was posted. Apologies for counting chickens not yet hatched. But still: After browsing the ECAC record book, you can see why Clarkson fans are so big on RS titles as a mark of accomplishment: they have lots of them and not so many tournament titles. That's a lot of heartbreak. That and going 0-for-3 in NCAA title games. Not that we've been there lately, ourselves.

[RichS]

hmmm....interesting, amusing.

I assure you that with a number of you firing at me about Clarkson hockey, my credibilty on this board is the last thing I'm concerned about.

At least one of you guys takes a pot shot at Parker and others bring up Morris and his teams, etc and someone else first uses the term "goon" on this thread and I'm responsible?

I only made reference to Schafer's "early years" after someone put Morris's era in play.

I think you may want to look into the mirror when you tell someone to "chill out."  I'd be happy to have a more "interesting discussion" as you suggest but nothing here suggests you guys are interested in same.  

The "obsessed" thing stems from the observation that at least some of you are still ticked off about the Scuderi incident (which Schafer never made an issue of, at least publically AFAIK) and still feel compelled to dump on Morris in general.   He's been gone over two years now, I'd think by now you'd be more interested in belittling George Roll.

I'm tired and have more rewarding writing to do...carry on.

[RichS]

Oh please...get over it Bill...it's not about my self-esteem at all.  If I were worried about being cursed at, would I have ever set foot in Lynah?

I feel sorry for supposed adults at ANY arena...Lynah, Cheel, etc.. who get bent out of shape because visiting fans have the temerity to cheer for their team.

I'm pretty thick-skinned so it didn't bother me.  I imagine that this faithful fan should have been embaressed that a simple "Lets Go Tech" caused him to almost have a stroke. And when cornell was winning, no less!

I feel bad you have nothing to do this weekend...what will you do?  Think back to what you did last year after, as someone on this thread said earlier, when cornell got "fish bones stuck in their throats" in the QF series.  You survived that, I'm sure you can make it through this weekend too.

[KP '06]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:
Stupid question and I asked this once before: If the hockey pep band also is the group that showed up for the Cornell @ Princeton lax game last year, the Cornell OT victory, you were outstanding there, too, especially in light of the absence of the Princeton Tiger dismounted, not marching band. Way to go.[/q]
[Q]CowbellGuy Wrote:
As for Cornell, don't get me wrong. I really appreciate the band. And this has nothing to do with Macho Man. They have, however, been on a bit of a downward trend the last few years. There hasn't been a very strong solo trumpet since Chris Orelup. The middle brass is thin and often, well, poor. But I think my biggest issue lately has been percussion. The percussion section is small, but still the most audible. However, they often seem to think they should be conducting and are completely off doing their own thing. There's rarely someone on bass drum who actually knows the songs. At Clarkson, I actually watched the conductor walk up and remind the guy he was supposed to be playing. He later discovered you can't play the bass drum while talking on a cell phone. Maybe I was spoiled by the band in the late 90's. Hopefully it's just cyclical. And the band certainly has nights when they sound like the best band in the ECAC. But there are other nights... I know the band gets almost no support. I literally watched instruments fall apart at Colgate. I guess I just don't like seeing other schools do it better.[/q]

It's very cyclical. Just ask the seniors in the bone section. Oh wait ...

I'd argue that the Big Red Pep Band/Marching Band complex contributes more to the Cornell community than any individual sports team or music ensemble on campus, and yet receives so little support from the music department or athletics. (Of course people don't come to a sporting event to see the band, but it certainly reaches more people throughout the year than any one team.)

Anyway, my point is, I'm damn proud of what our band does with what it has. Instrumentation comes and goes, off nights happen, and stagnation can settle in if conductors don't work their butts off, but I think the tradition of having fun and kicking ass has transferred pretty well from the mid-late 90's crew ... even if we can't say "sucks" anymore :-D

Man, this thread is getting schizophrenic.

[ben03]

i have to say most of this thread has been an interesting read … and for better or worse points made on all sides. OTOH ... KP '06 is right,  the rest of this discussion makes me think we're approaching that time in the discussion when we break out the dedicated sandbox thread [looks at bill and RichS] and allow those who wish to "play w/ each other" to do just that. therefore allowing the non-participants to watch from afar so as not to get covered in the $hit that has begun to fly.

[Lauren '06]

Point of order, the band's new faculty advisor has said that saying "sucks" is now permissible... of course, he is new at the post.

[daredevilcu]

"Sucks" wasn't allowed?  Weak.