How To Be a Good Fan

[jtwcornell91]

[Q]daredevilcu Wrote:
Harvard - Too musically inclined.  Care too much about sounding musical with dynamics and stuff, and not enough about what's going on on the ice, it seems.
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Yeah, at Lynah East their biggest problem was that a lot of their arrangements seemed to involve playing quietly for a big part of the song.  It's a hockey rink, people, not a concert hall!

[Beeeej]

[Q]Liz '05 Wrote:
 [Q2]Beeeej Wrote:
I don't dispute a single thing you said, and I agree it's great to have him in "our" corner in that sense.  I think he was also a great player in his day, and obviously a good coach.  But that doesn't mean he's not an arrogant ass, or that he didn't, in his petulant last public act as Hahvahd's head coach, treat Cornell about as shabbily as we've ever been treated.
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And this begs the question, for those of us who weren't around to see Cleary as a head coach, what exactly did he say?[/q]

Cleary's Hahvahd team won the 1989 national championship in an incredible OT win over Minnesota.  They'd had a great season, and he deserved every accolade he got for it.

In 1990, they didn't do quite as well.  Their path to the ECACs in Boston was through Cornell that year, and they came to Lynah for the QFs.  Cornell swept them 6-2, 4-2, and Cleary - who in his frustration had spent the two games getting increasingly abusive toward his own team - furiously demanded that they leave the ice at the end of the second game without shaking the Cornell team's hands.

Naturally, he then became Hahvahd's AD, because that's the kind of sportsman you want running things at a higher level.  ::rolleyes::

Beeeej

[Lauren '06]

[Q]daredevilcu Wrote:
[Q2]As for Clarkson. I like you guys. I like that when I went into Cheel to sort things out with the rink manager, whole packs of students shouted at me for daring to enter in my red Cornell jersey. I like that your band really gets into what's going on (and tries to inspire the rest of your fans to do the same). I don't like that your rink manager sends runners to give us a zillion different restrictions (no profanity, no entering other fan sections, no playing over the Clarkson band, no throwing things, etc) on pain of getting the band tossed, and yet lets you get away with the same sh*t they had only just warned us about. I don't like that you continued to break the rule of not using noisemakers during play (drums and cowbell during chants) and didn't get penalized for it even after the referee complained to the rink manager and warned about incurring a bench minor. It's unfair and it's frustrating. I still blame the train whistle for rendering you insensate. [/Q]
Hm... that sounds a lot like the Lynah staff.  Cornell does the same exact things, literally, as far as those restrictions go. [/q]
Oh I know we have the same restrictions, but as far as I know they don't have a double standard for the bands the way Cheel seemed to at first.  In previous years we have had members of our band thrown out of our rink for using inappropriate language.

1. The Cornell band does not swear en masse, even at Lynah.  I have been known to let slip a few choice four-letter words when a shot goes across the crease, but we don't do organized chants involving them.  The student section surrounding us does, but they're not bound by the same restrictions the bands are as representatives of the university.
2. We have never banged drums during play at Lynah (I foolishly experimented with it at Cheel after you guys wouldn't stop doing it in the first period, but I regretted that decision instantaneously).
3. Okay, we throw newspapers before the game at Lynah, but we don't create a fire hazard by having a bunch of drunks hold up their cigarette lighters. :-D  

[q]We didn't continue to break the rule--well, we might have done one or two cowbells because of some nameless drunken fools--but we did stop drumming during play.  Most referees allow us to get away with it, Kotyra included, especially at Cheel.  I think the main thing that was annoying is that long black horn-like instrument that one guy likes to use.  The rule on noisemakers is based on a decibel level, I'm pretty sure -- not all noisemakers are disallowed during play.[/q]
I think the worst of it for me was that the rink manager insisted that we not play over you (nor you play over us) or bang drums during play because it might upset or be otherwise offensive to the older people in the crowd due to the noise level.  Yet you have that giant freaking train whistle that's five times as loud as both bands combined.  Are the old people immune to that?  I've never been a fan of playing over other bands anyway because it's inconsiderate, but that was a BS excuse.

Also, just a friendly suggestion, you might want to cut out the convention of having someone play Ab notes to start the "Let's Go Tech" cheer, because you can't hear the words over the notes and it just sounds like some tool playing Ab's.  Honest.  This was especially true during the QF's last season when nobody (or very few people) in section O was actually saying "Let's Go Tech" and it really WAS just some tool playing Ab's.

[q]The train whistle is deafening, because we do sit right under it.  I have noticed slight hearing loss in my left ear (as sousaphone I stand on the far right).  Yeah, it was embarrassing to make fun of McKee and find out it was Chabot, but you know, I was in the bathroom when that happened or something because I didn't even know about it until long after the game.  

As for the pre-recorded "jock jams" we somehow managed to play the numa numa song and spotlight our Jolly Fat Kid cutting a rug, which he does before every game anyway.  That... you have to admit that was pretty hilarious.[/q]
Oh yeah.  I think we had people cheering for him.

[RichS]

He was pretty public with is disdain for Morris and gave more than he got.  Trust me, I know Mark was no choir boy.

Then a couple of years ago, when Fred Parker, a true gentleman, coached his only game for Clarkson at Lynah, Schafer ranted and raved at him for no reason that anyone could tell.  It took place after the game as Parker approached the officials.  Schaefer just had to stick his nose in and start a ruckus.  Guess he didn't know how to win with some dignity that night.  His team was clearly better and he even benefitted from questionable officiating...so why make an ass of yourself?

Another that sticks in my mind is his whining on the selection show a couple of years ago about his seeding.   Really now, have ECAC teams ever gotten a break there?  And he thinks HIS team should be treated differently?

When he started at cornell, he was pretty respectful. But in recent years, he's become an example of "winning breeds arrogance".  I wholeheartedly respect his coaching skills and the passion his teams play with.  I dislike his arrogance and frequent lack of giving his opponents and other coaches the respect they have earned.  What goes around. comes around.  Perhaps, some day he will experience that.   I'm a coach too, albeit at a much lower level, but I'd never model my behavior after his.

[ugarte]

[Q]RichS Wrote:blah blah blah.[/q]You are posting increasingly tedious nonsense, Rich. We don't care if Clarkson is proud of their team when they finish with the best regular season record. We are currently proud of our team for doing it this year. What we aren't going to do, however, is call ourselves ECAC Champions, because that is not how the championship is decided. "ECAC Regular Season Champions" is a misnomer. When you win a championship you don't need a modifier. The debate is essentially one of nomenclature. When Clarkson was busy screwing up the tournament, Roundtable posters were quick to glorify the regular season title as a "championship" and Cornell fans (myself included) were all too happy to remind you that you weren't champions of anything. We are still happy to perform that duty.

Final time:
Best record during regular season: Impressive accomplishment.
Winning tournament: ECAC Champion

[Q]RichS Wrote:blah Schafer blah.[/q]
You have [just, while I was posting this] given a [lame] reason for why Schafer is arrogant, or deports himself with less class than should be demanded of a public figure. If you want to stick a thumb in the eye of the man that rejuvenated this program, give us something [real]. [gratuitous swipe]He doesn't, for example, hit his players.[/gratuitous swipe]

[Beeeej]

[Q]RichS Wrote:
Then a couple of years ago, when Fred Parker, a true gentleman, coached his only game for Clarkson at Lynah, Schafer ranted and raved at him for no reason that anyone could tell.  It took place after the game as Parker approached the officials.  Schaefer just had to stick his nose in and start a ruckus.  Guess he didn't know how to win with some dignity that night.  His team was clearly better and he even benefitted from questionable officiating...so why make an ass of yourself?[/q]

Fair enough.  Do you actually know what he said, or are you just assuming?

[q]Another that sticks in my mind is his whining on the selection show a couple of years ago about his seeding.   Really now, have ECAC teams ever gotten a break there?  And he thinks HIS team should be treated differently?[/q]

Actually, I'll admit to having felt a little uncomfortable about that, myself.  I'd have preferred he bypass the issue by saying he knew his team had to win four games regardless of the opponent.  The country's first impression of him as the coach of a team with national stature probably shouldn't have been a complaint.  But really, Rich - how many ECAC teams, or teams period, have been the #1 overall seed and yet forced to play someone other than the annual patsy?  He wasn't expecting a "break" - we'd earned the right to play the worst team in the bracket, and they denied us that.

Beeeej

[Pete Godenschwager]

[Q]Schafer ranted and raved at him for no reason that anyone could tell.[/Q]

Sounds like you're just assuming that Schafer was at fault.  I don't know the situation, so I'm not saying he is or isn't.  But just because you couldn't tell what it was about, it must've been for no reason?  ::screwy::   Must be those piss-yellow tinted glasses.

[billhoward]

Trotsky raises two good points (the second, Harvard sucks, being an axiom), that the world needs more people clamoring for student-athletes. It's unlikely it's going to happen, but there's always the hope that college sports will blow up so badly with say a football scandal at Miami (beyond the usual shootings, muggings, and girlfriends taking tests) or hoops at Kentucky ... and the college presidents decide athletes really do have to be students not just wink-wink attendees for four years. For that, Cleary deserves to be respected, even if he did coach Harvard.

[RichS]

Unlike you, apparently, I was there and heard the aftermath.  It was none of Schafer's business but I suppose since the game was on his home ice, he felt compelled to act like a jerk in front of his supportive fans.

Would have been nice had he at least shook Parker's hand however.

[billhoward]

[Q]Trotsky Wrote:  I don't think Ned rates high on the modesty scale either...  [/q]Wasn't it Casey Stengel who said (wasn't Yogi; this makes too much sense), "If you can do it, it ain't braggin'."

[ninian '72]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

 [Q2]Trotsky Wrote:  I don't think Ned rates high on the modesty scale either...  [/Q]
Wasn't it Casey Stengel who said (wasn't Yogi; this makes too much sense), "If you can do it, it ain't braggin'."

[/q]

Actually, it was Dizzy Dean.  Right sport, though. :-)

[ugarte]

[Q]RichS Wrote:

 Unlike you, apparently, I was there and heard the aftermath.  It was none of Schafer's business but I suppose since the game was on his home ice, he felt compelled to act like a jerk in front of his supportive fans.[/q]So if I understand this correctly, Parker was bitching at the refs - presumably some accusation about non-calls against Cornell in Lynah - and when Schafer supports his team he is accused of sticking his nose in. Right?

[DisplacedCornellian]

[Q]RichS Wrote:

 He was pretty public with is disdain for Morris and gave more than he got.  Trust me, I know Mark was no choir boy.

Then a couple of years ago, when Fred Parker, a true gentleman, coached his only game for Clarkson at Lynah, Schafer ranted and raved at him for no reason that anyone could tell.  It took place after the game as Parker approached the officials.  Schaefer just had to stick his nose in and start a ruckus.  Guess he didn't know how to win with some dignity that night.  His team was clearly better and he even benefitted from questionable officiating...so why make an ass of yourself?

[/q]

If I remember correctly, that game ended with more than a little rough stuff (as Cornell v. Clarkson games tend to do)...so I'm sure emotions were running high on both sides.  For you to say that Schafer "just had to stick his nose in and start a ruckus" is well, asinine.  You have no idea what it was about or what was being said, or what led to it.  

[ursusminor]

[Q]Drew Wrote:
Of course RPI and Troy are a shithole, Affectionately known at Clarkson as  "Troylet" [/q] I have never heard even RichS use that word in that manner before. :-D To RPI students, at least in my day, a Troylet was a (usually young) female native of Troy. The term was especially used to refer to female Troy HS students by RPI freshmen.

[Will]

[Q]ursaminor Wrote:

 [Q2]Drew Wrote:
Of course RPI and Troy are a shithole, Affectionately known at Clarkson as  "Troylet" [/Q]
I have never heard even RichS use that word in that manner before.  To RPI students, at least in my day, a Troylet was a (usually young) female native of Troy. The term was especially used to refer to female Troy HS students by RPI freshmen.[/q]

So, I guess that means that RPI Engineers can only do it with Troylets. :-D