PWR volatile, Cornell -> #8t

[billhoward]

[Q]Al DeFlorio Wrote:

 Of the top sixteen teams in PWR, Hockey East and WCHA have five, ECAC four, and CCHA two.  Not bad balance.[/q]

Maybe it's too soon - or it's never too soon to play what-if? - to ask how many of the top sixteen teams are capable are making the title game?

[French Rage]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

 [Q2]Al DeFlorio Wrote:

 Of the top sixteen teams in PWR, Hockey East and WCHA have five, ECAC four, and CCHA two.  Not bad balance.[/Q]
Maybe it's too soon - or it's never too soon to play what-if? - to ask how many of the top sixteen teams are capable are making the title game? [/q]

That'd be the one area where we're still behind, as the other 3 have Minn, CC, Mich, and BC, but our best is still only #7.

[The Rancor]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

 [Q2]Al DeFlorio Wrote:

 Of the top sixteen teams in PWR, Hockey East and WCHA have five, ECAC four, and CCHA two.  Not bad balance.[/Q]
Maybe it's too soon - or it's never too soon to play what-if? - to ask how many of the top sixteen teams are capable are making the title game? [/q]

exactly 2. ::laugh::

root for Brown to put some smack down on UML on tuesday.

[jy3]

[Q]The Rancor Wrote:

 [Q2]billhoward Wrote:

 [Q2]Al DeFlorio Wrote:

 Of the top sixteen teams in PWR, Hockey East and WCHA have five, ECAC four, and CCHA two.  Not bad balance.[/Q]
Maybe it's too soon - or it's never too soon to play what-if? - to ask how many of the top sixteen teams are capable are making the title game? [/Q]
exactly 2.  

root for Brown to put some smack down on UML on tuesday.[/q]


interesting how just playing brown causes uml to lose the COP comparison to cornell - which they would only be able to regain if they sweep BC in february. this game could be crucial to cornell for seeding/at large whether Brom wins or not. gonna be interesting

[Steve M]

It's that "weaker conference bias" in the PWR that a UAA fan complained about a month or so ago on USCHO.  He does have a valid point.  In the COP comparison vs. UML, we play BC once and Brown at least twice, while UML plays BC at least twice and Brown once.  They have a tougher "COP schedule", but all the games  count the same to determine the COP point.  The same thing benefits ECAC teams in the TUC comparison as we generally have easier "TUC schedules" than the teams from the better conferences.  On the flip side, I think RPI favors the tougher conferences because the formula overweights schedule strength, as a team can lose a game to a good team and have it RPI go up. RPI carries more weight than any other individual category in the PWR since it breaks ties.

[The Rancor]

uscho's bracketology this week has us playing ancient rivals BU or Denver... dependig on bonus weight.

[Al DeFlorio]

[Q]nyc94 Wrote:

 Cornell can flip the comparison with Mass.-Lowell by beating RPI AND after Lowell plays at Brown on Tuesday.  They are currently tied in the common opponents category at 2-2.  Of course, I don't know what will happen to Brown's RPI if they lose the game but if they are no longer a TUC then we lose out anyway.  I should probably stop looking ahead.
Edited 1 times. Last edit at 01/15/05 05:54PM by nyc94.[/q]
Brown-UML scoreless after two.

[ben03]

[Q]Al DeFlorio Wrote:

Brown-UML scoreless after two.[/q]
let's go brom;-) :-P

[finchphil]

Looks like Brown and UML tied 0-0 in OT

[The Rancor]

so what does the 0-0 tie do?

[finchphil]

It should still flip the comparison with UML to us.  We are 2-0-0 over Brown, and they are 0-0-1 in the COP ranking.  Given the other COPs in play for us and UML, the fact that they have now played Brown gives us 2 more wins in that ranking.  It was my impression that the comparision would flip to us regardless of what the outcome of the Brown-UML game was....win, lose, or in this case, draw.

[billhoward]

Bracketology is fun to read through, but it's more painful than proctology when you have to wade through the same damn boilerplate in paragraphs two through nineteen each week, or so it seems, before you get to this week's musings. That stuff ought to be summarized in about one sentence and then the full version in a sidebar or link.

It's all worthless anyway because the quote seedings unquote change each week as teams win and lose, but still it's fun, and he did recall this week how BC in one trial pairing got the short end of the stick "as Cornell did" two years ago, meaning an unfairly strong first round pairing in order to preserve some other greater good.

Basically the NCAA seedings say that once you seed the teams overall and put them into into bands of first, second, third, and fourth seeds (per region), you can't reseed them to make things work out better (even if it is pretty thin between who might be the third and fourth seed in a region), but you can shuffle them from region to region to avoid intra-conference matchups and to hype the gate. A host school has to stay in its region - inviolate rule, if it makes the NCAAs - and the highest of the No. 1 seeds gets to stay as close to home as possible, so long as that doesn't violate some other rule.

Either of the Massachusetts regionals wouldn't be bad for a lot of Cornell fans. But as a #3 or #4 regional seed, we pretty much go where they send us.

[jy3]

[Q]finchphil Wrote:

 It should still flip the comparison with UML to us.  We are 2-0-0 over Brown, and they are 0-0-1 in the COP ranking.  Given the other COPs in play for us and UML, the fact that they have now played Brown gives us 2 more wins in that ranking.  It was my impression that the comparision would flip to us regardless of what the outcome of the Brown-UML game was....win, lose, or in this case, draw.[/q]

this was and is indeed true

the new comparison :

Cornell vs Mass.-Lowell
 .5558 0 RPI 1 .5572  
5-4-2 .5455 1 TUC 0 .5357 6-5-3
5-2-0 .7143 1 COp 0 .5833 3-2-1
0-0-0  0 H2H 0  0-0-0
  2 TOT 1

the only way that UML can regain the COP part of the comparison is by sweeping BC OR if cornell loses 2 more than they win against 'gate, slu(t), clarkson, and dartmouth - didnt realize that UML played all those teams. anyway, it should prove interesting

[nyc94]

Mass.-Lowell played 7 of their 10 nonconference games against ECAC teams - and went 6-0-1.  They also beat Bentley once and Niagara twice.  They have already lost once each to Maine and BC and have two more remaining with each.  Cornell has two each with Colgate, St. Lawrence, and Clarkson, and one each with Dartmouth, RPI, and Union.

Cornell's games against Dartmouth and UVM this weekend are huge in the TUC category - especially with Union and Brown so close to the cutoff.

[RedAR]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:
Either of the Massachusetts regionals wouldn't be bad for a lot of Cornell fans. But as a #3 or #4 regional seed, we pretty much go where they send us.

[/q]
Well, even when Cornell was a #1 seed, "we pretty much [went] where they [sent] us."