Goalie gets a T for an EAG GTG?

[CowbellGuy]

You may have noticed the CHDB wasn't giving McKee the tie for the first WMU game, so I just went in to figure out why. Turns out the logic was that since the net was empty when the GTG was scored, McKee wouldn't get the tie on his record. I'm going to assume that in reality he'd get the tie, but would like to hear it from someone that might have a better idea. Thanks.

[ugarte]

Interesting. Our empty net, at 0-0-1*, has a better record than Leroux.

* I always write records as w-l-t.  Is that proper protocol?

[jtwcornell91]

big red apple wrote:
* I always write records as w-l-t.  Is that proper protocol?

On this continent, W-L-T.  Actually makes less sense than W-D-L, but it lets you omit the T if it's zero.

[jtwcornell91]

Marr got the L vs OSU last year when we lost on a GWG ENG, right?

[Give My Regards]

Glad I refreshed before posting.  Yes, Marr was tagged with the loss (it was against Maine) even though the Cornell net was empty when what would prove to be the game-winning goal was scored.  I can't quote any official rule, but I have seen situations in the past in which a game-tying goal was scored with the net empty and the "goalie of record" for that team picked up the tie.  You can't really award the decision to "empty net" (especially since he didn't make any saves!)

[CowbellGuy]

Who is the goalie of record then? What if the goalie falls over the boards on his way off the ice and concusses himself. Does he get the T or the goalie that comes in after the goal to replace him?

[Give My Regards]

Again I can't cite any hard-and-fast rule, but the general practice seems to be to give the decision to whichever goalie was involved when his team got the win, loss, or tie.  Hence, the W would go to whoever the goalie was when his team scored the GWG and the L would go to whoever gave up the GWG (or apparently in the case of an empty-net/extra-attacker goal, whoever the goalie in question was before he was pulled).  And the tie goes to whoever the goalie is when his team earns the tie, i.e. the goalie at the end of the game.

Something similar to what you're talking about happened in 1993.  Andy Bandurski started and played all of regulation against Vermont.  The game went into OT tied at 1-1, and a minute into the extra session, the net was knocked over on top of Bandurski and he was injured.  Eddy Skazyk replaced him, finished the OT session -- and was given the tie.

[CowbellGuy]

OK. I'll go with that I guess. Last goalie to play in the game, unless I hear otherwise.

[Keith K \'93]

Can't just be last goalie to play in the game or else Chabot would have a win for his stellar relief perfomance last year (after Lenny lost yet another shutout late).

[CowbellGuy]

Last goalie to play in a tied game

[DeltaOne81]

I can't find it right now, but I KNOW we discussed this last year with Marr. If a GWG/GTG is scored with/on an empty net, the goaltender or record is the one who was pulled to create that empty net. Trying to find it, but I'm 100% positive that we determined that last year.

[Greg Berge]

Say Marr is in net for 59:50, we win a game 1-0 on an extra skater goal at 19:55, and then we put in Chabot to finish the game.

The win either belongs to: Marr (likely), the empty net (no way -- never heard of it and it happens in tie games all the time), or Chabot (extremely unlikely).

I'm going with Delta's presumption, with no difference at all between wins, ties, and losses, until I hear otherwise.  Otherwise the coach could decide ex post facto who gets the win or tie by putting somebody in net.



Post Edited (11-13-03 19:40)

[Keith K \'93]

Makes sense.  The blame or credit for the game goes to the goalie who was pulled for the empty net.

[Section A]

Well in baseball, the last pitcher who pitched before the game-winning run gets the win, right? So in hockey, the last goalie (Marr, in your example) who played before or during the GWG is the winning goalie.

While we're on the subject of "what if"s....say the goalie is out of position and the puck comes back into the slot where an opposing player takes a shot on goal. A defenseman dives and "saves" the puck. How does that get scored? Is it still a shot on goal? If the game is a shutout, does the goalie get 27 saves on 28 shots?

[Al DeFlorio]

Avash '05 wrote:

While we're on the subject of "what if"s....say the goalie is out of position and the puck comes back into the slot where an opposing player takes a shot on goal. A defenseman dives and "saves" the puck. How does that get scored? Is it still a shot on goal? If the game is a shutout, does the goalie get 27 saves on 28 shots?

Players block shots that otherwise would be on goal all the time.  I'm not sure why this situation would be treated any differently.