Ben Robertson transfer

[arugula]

Bill shoots and scores.  Cutting through the BS.  As to the debate about wages, the ECHL just had a player strike, with the salubrious effect one hopes of increased pay, although I know the strike was as much about the terrible conditions they work under in that league.

[Trotsky]

Without the ECHL and AHL, we wouldn't have had Slapshot.

Hundreds of members of my mom's extended Johnstown family is in that movie as extras. 

[BearLover]

What percentage of players, overall are getting direct NIL? 50% or more?

Any NIL, including a few dollars here and there from eg. jersey sales? Maybe 50%. Substantial NIL that rivals eg. an ECHL salary? Probably an extremely small percentage, less than 1%.

You overestimate the ECHL's wages... which, when factored over the year, are pretty damn low. A fair amount of those guys take second jobs over the summer, etc.

We've heard of guys getting 50k and transferring schools because of it. Add scholarship, room, board, food. That's more than an ECHL salary, I can almost guarantee it.

So much so, that there are guys who are saying "if my choices are ECHL (with little prospect of moving up the ranks) or workforce, I'm going to the workforce".

I was assuming the average ECHL wage is around 50K, which would equate to what the very best players in the country are rumored to be getting offered to transfer.

Overview of ECHL Salaries
How much do ECHL players make? The salary of ECHL players varies widely based on factors like experience, position, and team. According to the ECHL minimum salary for the 2021-2022 season, a rookie can expect to earn $555 per week. Veterans with three or more years of professional experience can earn up to $925 per week.

But what about the average ECHL salary? The average ECHL player earns around $600 per week. However, this number can vary widely based on factors like performance, position, and team. Some players may earn much more than the league average, while others may earn less.

The average salary for an ECHL player is around $600 per week, but this can vary based on a number of factors such as the player's experience, skill level, and position on the team. In some cases, players can make over $1,000 per week, while others may make less than $400 per week.

It's also important to note that ECHL players are typically only paid during the regular season, which lasts for about six months. During the off-season, many players will look for other work or play in other leagues to supplement their income.

Another thing to keep in mind is that ECHL players are responsible for their own travel and living expenses, which can add up quickly. While some teams provide housing or help players find affordable options, others do not, leaving players to foot the bill for their own accommodations.

Sourcing from this, which seems to be generally accurate as far as I've done research and understand it.

550 x 26 weeks = 55 x 10 x 2 x 13 = 1100 x 13 = 14300.

925 x 26 = 925 x 2 x 13 = 1850 x 13 = 24050.

Yeah. You're off...

Wow, didn't realize it was so low

[stereax]

What percentage of players, overall are getting direct NIL? 50% or more?

Any NIL, including a few dollars here and there from eg. jersey sales? Maybe 50%. Substantial NIL that rivals eg. an ECHL salary? Probably an extremely small percentage, less than 1%.

You overestimate the ECHL's wages... which, when factored over the year, are pretty damn low. A fair amount of those guys take second jobs over the summer, etc.

We've heard of guys getting 50k and transferring schools because of it. Add scholarship, room, board, food. That's more than an ECHL salary, I can almost guarantee it.

So much so, that there are guys who are saying "if my choices are ECHL (with little prospect of moving up the ranks) or workforce, I'm going to the workforce".

I was assuming the average ECHL wage is around 50K, which would equate to what the very best players in the country are rumored to be getting offered to transfer.

Overview of ECHL Salaries
How much do ECHL players make? The salary of ECHL players varies widely based on factors like experience, position, and team. According to the ECHL minimum salary for the 2021-2022 season, a rookie can expect to earn $555 per week. Veterans with three or more years of professional experience can earn up to $925 per week.

But what about the average ECHL salary? The average ECHL player earns around $600 per week. However, this number can vary widely based on factors like performance, position, and team. Some players may earn much more than the league average, while others may earn less.

The average salary for an ECHL player is around $600 per week, but this can vary based on a number of factors such as the player's experience, skill level, and position on the team. In some cases, players can make over $1,000 per week, while others may make less than $400 per week.

It's also important to note that ECHL players are typically only paid during the regular season, which lasts for about six months. During the off-season, many players will look for other work or play in other leagues to supplement their income.

Another thing to keep in mind is that ECHL players are responsible for their own travel and living expenses, which can add up quickly. While some teams provide housing or help players find affordable options, others do not, leaving players to foot the bill for their own accommodations.

Sourcing from this, which seems to be generally accurate as far as I've done research and understand it.

550 x 26 weeks = 55 x 10 x 2 x 13 = 1100 x 13 = 14300.

925 x 26 = 925 x 2 x 13 = 1850 x 13 = 24050.

Yeah. You're off...

Wow, didn't realize it was so low

Yeaaaaaah.

Like, some of the guys who play ECHL do it because they see an upward path into the A. Some just want to play for a few more years before hanging them up. But it's not really a career like even the AHL is.

So yeah. "Even" 50k is still a fuck ton of money, and add on school costs, meals, dorms, equipment, etcetera. (Plus connections and alumni networks to land you a job after you graduate!)

[adamw]

ECHL players typically get their housing taken care of too. And some meals. So they can survive fine. Of course, NCAA players get housing taken care of as well.

I would venture to say that at most schools in the NCAA, the minimum rev share players are getting is about $20,000. Maybe not most schools - but maybe ... 33% at this point? I'm still gathering data. That's not NIL, it's rev share. Plus their regular scholarship. BearLover will tell me I'm wrong, but oh well. From what I've been able to gather so far (and it's like a constant topic), the average rev share budget of - say - an NCHC team is $500k/year. Probably same for most Hockey East teams - though some have much less (UNH, Vermont...) - B10 schools probably well above $500k. Obviously that will be just about $0 in Atlantic and ECAC.

[billhoward]

I was going to post a publicity still from Slapshot because I believe in multiple-media comments, i.e. words and a photo. But such a hassle to attach a photo now versus just dropping an image into a reply.

[BearLover]

Not gonna start another flame war but it's curious that a bunch of schools facing severe budget crises and whose hockey programs (and athletic departments more broadly) are heavily in the red are paying kids tons of cash on top of the additional millions in scholarships they're on the hook for under the House settlement. Makes you wonder if we, too, can make very generous donors materialize out of thin air.

[The Rancor]

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Yeaaaaaah.

Like, some of the guys who play ECHL do it because they see an upward path into the A. Some just want to play for a few more years before hanging them up. But it's not really a career like even the AHL is.

So yeah. "Even" 50k is still a fuck ton of money, and add on school costs, meals, dorms, equipment, etcetera. (Plus connections and alumni networks to land you a job after you graduate!)
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This is the thing: Players don't really see it this way, not exactly, anyway. They don't care about the money (they DO and deserve to be paid appropriately, and obviously in the NHL where there is huge money at stake) but they play for the love of the game, until, either physically, emotionally or, in some cases, financially, they can't justify it anymore. FWIW it is why so many guys love playing in Europe- good balance of everything- but they just want to PLAY. What happens after hockey, isn't on the top of the concerns for most players once they go Pro.

[stereax]

Yeaaaaaah.

Like, some of the guys who play ECHL do it because they see an upward path into the A. Some just want to play for a few more years before hanging them up. But it's not really a career like even the AHL is.

So yeah. "Even" 50k is still a fuck ton of money, and add on school costs, meals, dorms, equipment, etcetera. (Plus connections and alumni networks to land you a job after you graduate!)

This is the thing: Players don't really see it this way, not exactly, anyway. They don't care about the money (they DO and deserve to be paid appropriately, and obviously in the NHL where there is huge money at stake) but they play for the love of the game, until, either physically, emotionally or, in some cases, financially, they can't justify it anymore. FWIW it is why so many guys love playing in Europe- good balance of everything- but they just want to PLAY. What happens after hockey, isn't on the top of the concerns for most players once they go Pro.

For sure, yeah! It's all the love of the game. But again, it's not exactly a career because you're not even getting paid enough to make ends meet sometimes. A good amount of Cornellians underscore that - that ultimately, even if you make the NHL, even if you play for a few years there, what are you gonna do with the rest of your life?

But if you're a junior at, say, Michigan, for example, and your choices are going pure ECHL or one more year of college hockey (with some revshare, NIL, whatever, plus scholarship, plus everything else comped), you're probably doing the last year of college hockey.

[BearLover]

Listened to a podcast with Mathieu Caron, goalie for BU who graduated last spring. He said there's basically no NIL at all at BU. (BU also did not opt into revenue sharing.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YClxduwviHY

[BearLover]

While in the past I have enjoyed a weaker ECAC, that's mostly been about not wanting our rivals to win the national title before we do. Going forward it is important that the conference improves, particularly the weaker programs. I hope the new Brown and Yale coaches can at least get their teams to near the middle of the NPI. It is also important that Cornell schedule difficult out of conference games. Quality of competition seems to be good players' biggest reservations about attending/staying at an Ivy versus going to B10/NCHC/HE.

[Iceberg]

While in the past I have enjoyed a weaker ECAC, that's mostly been about not wanting our rivals to win the national title before we do. Going forward it is important that the conference improves, particularly the weaker programs. I hope the new Brown and Yale coaches can at least get their teams to near the middle of the NPI. It is also important that Cornell schedule difficult out of conference games. Quality of competition seems to be good players' biggest reservations about attending/staying at an Ivy versus going to B10/NCHC/HE.

I'm curious who Yale hires given they've had a whole season to consider available options. It's not like Yale is in a bad location and there obviously is a record of success, but I'm dubious about how much support is there for men's hockey

[adamw]

Listened to a podcast with Mathieu Caron, goalie for BU who graduated last spring. He said there's basically no NIL at all at BU. (BU also did not opt into revenue sharing.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YClxduwviHY

There is ZERO chance this is true. Caron can say whatever he wants. Every other school BU competes with has a rev share budget of $500k at least. Boston College's is likely higher. You think BU is going to sit by and lose players to BC?

[BearLover]

Listened to a podcast with Mathieu Caron, goalie for BU who graduated last spring. He said there's basically no NIL at all at BU. (BU also did not opt into revenue sharing.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YClxduwviHY

There is ZERO chance this is true. Caron can say whatever he wants. Every other school BU competes with has a rev share budget of $500k at least. Boston College's is likely higher. You think BU is going to sit by and lose players to BC?

Caron was a literal player on the team. Seems like a trustworthy source who would have insight into this matter. He graduated and would have no incentive to lie.

The BC bit seems like specious logic. BU's rev share budget is $0 as they did not opt into the settlement. Their NIL number is completely dependent on donations—-BU cannot force people to donate. Therefore, it doesn't really matter what BU wants. BU is evidently not losing anybody to BC currently, given they get the best talent in the entire country. So I don't see why they would be worried about this. Perhaps rumors of BC's revenue sharing are also exaggerated if they're not poaching players from BU (or almost anywhere, for that matter).   

[BearLover]

I'm going to preemptively quit this argument.