Hey Clownlover, the sky isn't falling: this year's team is last year's team.

[adamw]

2) the results from ithaca, princeton and potsdam indicate that coaching is one of the driving factors in this year's disappointment. i don't know if i agree - the sample size is small and normal variance seems to be a problem as much as anything - but it isn't a wild-eyed thought imo.

yeah here's where we differ ... this is a 100% preposterous thought, really.

[BearLover]

2) the results from ithaca, princeton and potsdam indicate that coaching is one of the driving factors in this year's disappointment. i don't know if i agree - the sample size is small and normal variance seems to be a problem as much as anything - but it isn't a wild-eyed thought imo.

yeah here's where we differ ... this is a 100% preposterous thought, really.

It's so preposterous that you continue to offer no other explanation, at all. Hmm...

[Al DeFlorio]

2) the results from ithaca, princeton and potsdam indicate that coaching is one of the driving factors in this year's disappointment. i don't know if i agree - the sample size is small and normal variance seems to be a problem as much as anything - but it isn't a wild-eyed thought imo.

yeah here's where we differ ... this is a 100% preposterous thought, really.

It's so preposterous that you continue to offer no other explanation, at all. Hmm...

Because there may be no pat explanation.  And it may have nothing at all to do with Jones or Syer, something you appear to be obsessed with.  We're all disappointed.  But not obsessed with identifying on whom to place blame.

[upprdeck]

all we should take from XG is that going on a run is just as likely as not given how the games are being played.

We are in the spots to win the games just can't get it done

Like being a Mets fan I guess

[adamw]

2) the results from ithaca, princeton and potsdam indicate that coaching is one of the driving factors in this year's disappointment. i don't know if i agree - the sample size is small and normal variance seems to be a problem as much as anything - but it isn't a wild-eyed thought imo.

yeah here's where we differ ... this is a 100% preposterous thought, really.

It's so preposterous that you continue to offer no other explanation, at all. Hmm...

Keep believing that, dingbat.

[bernie]

i appreciate and share the desire to understand everything but there is nothing to be investigated.

chance plays a large role in hockey which creates large variability in winning, finishing, or saving, especially in small sample sets.  it's human tendency to greatly underestimate the effect of randomness when evaluating strings of success or failure.

injuries play a large role in sports performance which is why disclosure is so important where it's required.  as important as who suits up or not is who is playing with injuries and how bad the injuries are.  this is something that we will likely never know and we certainly don't want the world to know.

while there can be great variability in results, it's silly to think that there can be great variability in one's coaching ability.  as is the thought that one can be a good coach but is unable to identify strong lieutenants and successors.  good leaders can make bad hiring decisions from time to time but that is rarely the case when there is past experience working together.  

one of the big appeals of cornell hockey to fans, players, and coaches is the positive energy and atmosphere of lynah.  i hope that recruits aren't here on elynah, thinking that the mix of commentary is reflective of the actual support that the entire community provides.

[ugarte]

Don't mistake mockery for anger. We're not shouting at the candy asses. We're laughing at them.

sigh

[The Rancor]

Hardly the 'most disappointing season ever" Compared to 2020, or 1969 even. Sometimes you lose games. It's ok. We're just a mediocre team in a mediocre league. Maybe we get hot an do something amazing. Maybe it's next year. Or in 3 years when the team is loaded up with CHL players. Enjoy the feeling of being a Cornell Hockey Fan- heartbreak and joy are a part of the experience.

[Trotsky]

I think it is too early to call us a mediocre team.  13 games in to what will be > 30 games.

But why not just watch?  I understand the allure of measurement, of course, it's what TBRW is all about.  But predicating your enjoyment on that measurement is just so Missing The Point.  It's the journey, people. Did you study to get grades or learn?

[arugula]

I think it is too early to call us a mediocre team.  13 games in to what will be > 30 games.

But why not just watch?  I understand the allure of measurement, of course, it's what TBRW is all about.  But predicating your enjoyment on that measurement is just so Missing The Point.  It's the journey, people. Did you study to get grades or learn?

That last question. Oh boy...

[CAS]

Stick tap for Bernie.  There is great passion for Cornell hockey.  Let's Go Red!

[ugarte]

I think it is too early to call us a mediocre team.  13 games in to what will be > 30 games.

But why not just watch?  I understand the allure of measurement, of course, it's what TBRW is all about.  But predicating your enjoyment on that measurement is just so Missing The Point.  It's the journey, people. Did you study to get grades or learn?

i definitely don't think it's too early but i don't mind being pleasantly surprised!

[BearLover]

i appreciate and share the desire to understand everything but there is nothing to be investigated.

chance plays a large role in hockey which creates large variability in winning, finishing, or saving, especially in small sample sets.  it's human tendency to greatly underestimate the effect of randomness when evaluating strings of success or failure.

injuries play a large role in sports performance which is why disclosure is so important where it's required.  as important as who suits up or not is who is playing with injuries and how bad the injuries are.  this is something that we will likely never know and we certainly don't want the world to know.

while there can be great variability in results, it's silly to think that there can be great variability in one's coaching ability.  as is the thought that one can be a good coach but is unable to identify strong lieutenants and successors.  good leaders can make bad hiring decisions from time to time but that is rarely the case when there is past experience working together.  

one of the big appeals of cornell hockey to fans, players, and coaches is the positive energy and atmosphere of lynah.  i hope that recruits aren't here on elynah, thinking that the mix of commentary is reflective of the actual support that the entire community provides.

I'm well aware of the reality of small samples, particularly in the context of hockey events. But I think we have large enough samples now to judge things like the PP, the PK, Shane, possession. I don't just mean the literal numbers, which are still small enough samples to be quite noisy. I mean from watching the team play. We've all borne witness of how bad the PP has looked this year. I also reiterate how widespread the regression has been: it's every line, and almost every player on the team. So, yeah, it's far from just injuries. As I mentioned in the other thread, there are many unique aspects of this year's coaching personnel and structure that could well be having an effect on the team. And nobody is infallible, even one of the greatest college hockey coaches of all time.

As to your last point, I'd take a look at any internet sports forum. Relatively speaking, ELynah is the most reasonable and positive of any that I've come across. This is just a terrible season. It's obviously not often this negative on here.

The last thing I will say is that the underlying metrics and Schafer's view of the team (per Adam's article) suggest it's not far off from turning the corner, if (and only if) Shane himself can turn it around. It's a shame that the damage is so great that we're going to have to win the ECAC again, but I buy the argument that the team will be better in the second half of the season than the first.

[stereax]

I think it is too early to call us a mediocre team.  13 games in to what will be > 30 games.

But why not just watch?  I understand the allure of measurement, of course, it's what TBRW is all about.  But predicating your enjoyment on that measurement is just so Missing The Point.  It's the journey, people. Did you study to get grades or learn?

trick question, I avoid studying <3

but yeah, I think we all know the "reasons we suck" at this point. something something, ::deadhorse:: . just enjoy the games, enjoy hockey, if we make it we make it, if we don't we don't. a lot of y'all are obsessed with doing well this year "for schaefer's legacy" but remove that lens and just let it be.

[stereax]

Stick tap for Bernie.  There is great passion for Cornell hockey.  Let's Go Red!

tap tap, LGR!