Cornell at Harvard 11/16

[Trotsky]

Whether it's PWR or RPI or conference percentage the prescription is the same.  Just win.

I try to capture a feeling for where we are in terms of ECAC warmth during the season -- it's a vibe check.  Given expectations the goal should be to get to orange (5 over .500) as soon as possible and then march relentlessly towards red (10 over) to number among the best Schafer squads. I am personally hoping we can move into the orange by game 11 and into the red by game 22.  That would feel good.  NC RS games will take care of themselves, and they have a great start.

And then the post-season is a crapshoot.

But at the end of the day: just win baby.

[Trotsky]

On the PP and the offense more broadly, there's little fluidity and way too much hesitating. I actually thought this improved somewhat this past weekend.

Our guys seem rooted to one spot on pp.  They try to open lanes by passing back and forth forcing the defenders to adjust.  But a good pp combines that passing with movement, both by the guy with the puck and the potential pass recipients.  It makes defense 100x harder.  It also makes playmaking 100x harder but I swear our players have the intelligence and skills.  Making the environment harder helps IMO separate the better teams -- it helps us say pull away from Brown so we don't need a miracle finish.

[arugula]

Tie resolution has been:

10 mins 5x5
5 mins 5x5
5 mins 3x3

The last of which is garbage but what isn't since, say, the death of D. Boon.

I would say the death of Bob Stinson but I just wanted to recognize the reference.

[Scersk '97]

On the PP and the offense more broadly, there's little fluidity and way too much hesitating. I actually thought this improved somewhat this past weekend.

Our guys seem rooted to one spot on pp.  They try to open lanes by passing back and forth forcing the defenders to adjust.  But a good pp combines that passing with movement, both by the guy with the puck and the potential pass recipients.  It makes defense 100x harder.  It also makes playmaking 100x harder but I swear our players have the intelligence and skills.  Making the environment harder helps IMO separate the better teams -- it helps us say pull away from Brown so we don't need a miracle finish.

My problem is that they're hesitating too long after receiving passes. It's either good ol' indecision or taking too much time winding up for a wicked slappah. Instead, they should flick it on net every time we have a screen set up and close in to clean up the garbage. If a flick gets blocked, it usually doesn't end up squirting out past the blue line. We just have to track it down and try again.

We don't need to try to blow a hole through the goalie's chest every time. Just put it low and look for rebounds.

To address exactly what you describe, I agree that it's probably necessary against good teams to get a lot of movement that sets up slappahs. Against Brown, however, you just have to get it on net over and over and react quicker than they do, which we will.

[Trotsky]

Tie resolution has been:

10 mins 5x5
5 mins 5x5
5 mins 3x3

The last of which is garbage but what isn't since, say, the death of D. Boon.

I would say the death of Bob Stinson but I just wanted to recognize the reference.

Had no idea he was dead.

All rise for the Weltanschauung before ChildWorld.

"But hey, enjoy that videogame."

[VIEWfromK]

Yes yes yes. Love the D on the shootout.

Can anyone find another instance of 2 D men winning a shoot out on 2 shots? Gutsy move.

Is it possible that Rego could have been third in line for the shootout if it had gone that far?  Looks genius now unless we later find out they went Billy Martin style and pulled the order out of a hat.

Have I ever mentioned how much I hate the ice scrape?  The NHL did away with it right away.  Why is the NCAA still requiring it?  Makes everyone sit around unnecessarily.

[David Harding]

I looked back at the highlights and a few things:

There were several stupid or unnecessary penalties...on both sides. The Bancroft hit that resulted in the major got a lot of attention but the boarding penalty Harvard's MacDonald took late in the 3rd was peak idiocy and resulted in Cornell tying the game on a nice low-slot passing play.

The 2nd Harvard goal should've been called back for being offside. I wasn't sure at first in real time since I was at the other end of the ice, but on the highlights, it's clear that a portion of the puck was over the blue line. Too bad Cornell couldn't challenge at that point.

The 1st Harvard goal was some of the worst PK coverage I've ever seen. No way should a player be left alone like that in front of the net. Net front defense improved as the game went on but definitely some of the same issues we saw last weekend

The entire puck has to be all the way across the blue line into the neutral zone, not just a portion of it, before its return to the offensive zone results in an offside.

[David Harding]

I remember full periods too of OT from when I was a student bc I remember some games being really long but I could be wrong. Was a long time ago.


It was only 5 minutes of 5 x 5 before the bastardization, but otherwise I agree.

Maybe I'm going crazy but I thought they had a whole period and called it a tie if it was nobody scored. But even if I'm wrong I would honestly take 5 minutes of 5 on 5 over 3 on 3.[/quote]

7 games went to OT today and they were all settled in a shootout. I totally think 3 on 3 is exciting in the NHL but it's so useless in college hockey. I want nothing more than for them to bring back the 20 minutes of 5 on 5 and I think most coaches agree at this point.

The 1968-69 rule book that I bought freshman year specifies 10 minutes of overtime, as does the '74-'75 book I bought as a graduate student.  Teams stayed in the bench area between the end of  regualr time and overtime.  I was also interested to note as I looked back that the time between regular periods increased from 10 minutes to 15 minutes between the two publications.

[jtwcornell91]

I remember full periods too of OT from when I was a student bc I remember some games being really long but I could be wrong. Was a long time ago.

Could it be that you have memories of playoff games mixed in there?

5 (or 10) minutes OT vs 20 minutes is an important distinction for long-game purposes because you have to resurface the ice for the latter and not for the former.

[scoop85]

I remember full periods too of OT from when I was a student bc I remember some games being really long but I could be wrong. Was a long time ago.


It was only 5 minutes of 5 x 5 before the bastardization, but otherwise I agree.

Maybe I'm going crazy but I thought they had a whole period and called it a tie if it was nobody scored. But even if I'm wrong I would honestly take 5 minutes of 5 on 5 over 3 on 3.

7 games went to OT today and they were all settled in a shootout. I totally think 3 on 3 is exciting in the NHL but it's so useless in college hockey. I want nothing more than for them to bring back the 20 minutes of 5 on 5 and I think most coaches agree at this point.

The 1968-69 rule book that I bought freshman year specifies 10 minutes of overtime, as does the '74-'75 book I bought as a graduate student.  Teams stayed in the bench area between the end of  regualr time and overtime.  I was also interested to note as I looked back that the time between regular periods increased from 10 minutes to 15 minutes between the two publications.

When I was a student from 81-85, it was a 10 minute OT at 5 x 5.

[Al DeFlorio]

I remember full periods too of OT from when I was a student bc I remember some games being really long but I could be wrong. Was a long time ago.


It was only 5 minutes of 5 x 5 before the bastardization, but otherwise I agree.

Maybe I'm going crazy but I thought they had a whole period and called it a tie if it was nobody scored. But even if I'm wrong I would honestly take 5 minutes of 5 on 5 over 3 on 3.

7 games went to OT today and they were all settled in a shootout. I totally think 3 on 3 is exciting in the NHL but it's so useless in college hockey. I want nothing more than for them to bring back the 20 minutes of 5 on 5 and I think most coaches agree at this point.

The 1968-69 rule book that I bought freshman year specifies 10 minutes of overtime, as does the '74-'75 book I bought as a graduate student.  Teams stayed in the bench area between the end of  regualr time and overtime.  I was also interested to note as I looked back that the time between regular periods increased from 10 minutes to 15 minutes between the two publications.

When I was a student from 81-85, it was a 10 minute OT at 5 x 5.

As in 61-66.

[George64]

The most memorable overtime I recall was at the Boston Arena Christmas Tournament in 1966.  I was back in Ithaca and listened to it on WHCU.  The game ended in a 3-3 tie after the second overtime.  The following week, Yale beat us 4-3 in overtime at Lynah.  The only two blemishes in our 27-1-1 NCAA Championship season.
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[Trotsky]

When I was a student from 81-85, it was a 10 minute OT at 5 x 5.

I will always remember the time on the Bright scoreboard when Shippel scored in overtime on 2/16/85:

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[adamw]

Anyone who says issues are "coaching" - should not be taken seriously in this forum, no matter whether slivers of good points are made elsewhere in his drivel.  Attributing things to "coaching" is just clown talk.  Same guy who says "the same players last year were good, so it must not be them" - then ignores a 30-year track record of coaching - equals ... clown.

[abmarks]

Anyone who says issues are "coaching" - should not be taken seriously in this forum, no matter whether slivers of good points are made elsewhere in his drivel.  Attributing things to "coaching" is just clown talk.  Same guy who says "the same players last year were good, so it must not be them" - then ignores a 30-year track record of coaching - equals ... clown.

And with that bearlover is now forever to be referred to as clownlover