Cornell at Harvard 11/16

Started by stereax, November 16, 2024, 10:35:44 AM

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Dafatone

Am I the only person who thinks the special teams haven't looked that bad?

There's a lot of room for improvement on the PP (move without the puck, people!) but at least we aren't sticking to the "only the bumper position can shoot and all we care about is getting him the puck" strategy of the last few years.

And the PK has looked okay, even good, to my eyes.

The results have been mixed on the PK and bad on the PP, but it's been few enough games that a couple bounces here or there are the difference between bad and good.

As far as I'm concerned, we're fine. Get healthy and stop making stupid d-zone turnovers.

Al DeFlorio

Quote from: BearLoverOutside of Devlin, Wallace, and Fegaras, everyone was healthy for NoDak.
I seem to recall Cornell swept NoDak, a rather surprising outcome to me in that it was Cornell's opening two games, NoDak had already played several and they are consistently one of the top programs in Division 1.  I'm sorry you found this disappointing, because Cornell's goals weren't pretty enough to satisfy your demanding tastes, and Cornell didn't look completely dominant over the entire 120 minutes, as you seem to expect always from Cornell hockey.  Your tiresome rants have grown really old.  Some can recognize when they've dug themselves into a deep hole, and they stop digging.  You clearly lack that ability.
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BearLover

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Quote from: BearLoverOutside of Devlin, Wallace, and Fegaras, everyone was healthy for NoDak.
I seem to recall Cornell swept NoDak, a rather surprising outcome to me in that it was Cornell's opening two games, NoDak had already played several and they are consistently one of the top programs in Division 1.  I'm sorry you found this disappointing, because Cornell's goals weren't pretty enough to satisfy your demanding tastes, and Cornell didn't look completely dominant over the entire 120 minutes, as you seem to expect always from Cornell hockey.  Your tiresome rants have grown really old.  Some can recognize when they've dug themselves into a deep hole, and they stop digging.  You clearly lack that ability.
I was thrilled Cornell swept NoDak. What are you talking about? Cornell was fortunate to sweep those games, though, and then played worse the next two weekends. As someone who complains incessantly in the football threads in games Cornell goes on to win, you should appreciate my posting style!

Cornell95

wait.. Cornell has a football team?
::bolt::

stereax

Quote from: Cornell95wait.. Cornell has a football team?
::bolt::
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adamw

Quote from: BearLoverStrange for you to suggest coaches have no control over player decisionmaking and execution. "Careless turnovers have nothing to do with coaching instruction"? Who's the fool here?

Allow me to answer that question ... Still you. Yep. For thinking that somehow after 30 years, the coach forgot how to instruct his players on decision making and execution. SMH. But keep digging.
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upprdeck

PP and PK we really only look at the results to decide how well they played.

You can score goals on the PP without doing much of anything right if you get the right bounce. The same that you can kill a PP without doing many things right on the PK if the other team misses a pass or whiffs on an open net.

Chances matter more, and most of us don't really go back and look at the PP and PK to see mistakes. Coaches do.

BearLover

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Quote from: BearLoverStrange for you to suggest coaches have no control over player decisionmaking and execution. "Careless turnovers have nothing to do with coaching instruction"? Who's the fool here?

Allow me to answer that question ... Still you. Yep. For thinking that somehow after 30 years, the coach forgot how to instruct his players on decision making and execution. SMH. But keep digging.
So any successful coach is infallible and nothing is ever their fault. Cornell defenseman has time and space but no idea where to go with the puck—we saw that multiple times the last few games—and none of that falls on the coach? When Schafer introduced a new forechecking system in 2014, Cornell was terrible that year, and then Schafer admitted it was a mistake at the end of the season because the players didn't know their assignments—not the coach's fault? Anybody can give many more examples of good coaches changing strategies and systems and those things not working out. Syer, whom everyone praised for being an extremely detail-oriented coach, leaves Cornell and then the PK consistently botches details. But don't worry—it's the players who are just dumb, the coaches are infallible.

chimpfood

Christ is there a way to mute a thread on here?

ugarte

hey man could you write another 2000 words so we're clear on your thesis?

upprdeck

Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: adamw
Quote from: BearLoverStrange for you to suggest coaches have no control over player decisionmaking and execution. "Careless turnovers have nothing to do with coaching instruction"? Who's the fool here?

Allow me to answer that question ... Still you. Yep. For thinking that somehow after 30 years, the coach forgot how to instruct his players on decision making and execution. SMH. But keep digging.
So any successful coach is infallible and nothing is ever their fault. Cornell defenseman has time and space but no idea where to go with the puck—we saw that multiple times the last few games—and none of that falls on the coach? When Schafer introduced a new forechecking system in 2014, Cornell was terrible that year, and then Schafer admitted it was a mistake at the end of the season because the players didn't know their assignments—not the coach's fault? Anybody can give many more examples of good coaches changing strategies and systems and those things not working out. Syer, whom everyone praised for being an extremely detail-oriented coach, leaves Cornell and then the PK consistently botches details. But don't worry—it's the players who are just dumb, the coaches are infallible.

he only way to know if you can get better is to try That why golfers like Rory and Tiger and Jack who were at the top consistently tried new things. Trying something and failing isnt a bad thing.  You wont know until you do it.  No different than bball coaches.  Most would love to be able to play full court press m2m all over and stress the other teams out.  But when you try it you might fail and find out you only have the players for 2-3 zone.  Credit to coach for realizing his players couldnt master it and going back.  That doesn't mean we wouldn't be a better team if we were good at the other system.

BearLover

Quote from: ugartehey man could you write another 2000 words so we're clear on your thesis?
Ask and you shall receive. Stayed tuned for this weekend's games.

marty

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Quote from: ugartehey man could you write another 2000 words so we're clear on your thesis?
Ask and you shall receive. Stayed tuned for this weekend's games.

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Tom Lento

Quote from: DafatoneAm I the only person who thinks the special teams haven't looked that bad?

There's a lot of room for improvement on the PP (move without the puck, people!) but at least we aren't sticking to the "only the bumper position can shoot and all we care about is getting him the puck" strategy of the last few years.

And the PK has looked okay, even good, to my eyes.

The results have been mixed on the PK and bad on the PP, but it's been few enough games that a couple bounces here or there are the difference between bad and good.

As far as I'm concerned, we're fine. Get healthy and stop making stupid d-zone turnovers.

I don't think Cornell's special teams have been good in the stretches of play I've seen this year. The PP looks about the same as what I recall for much of the past, oh, 15 years or so. The main difference is this year the results have been bad instead of merely mediocre, but it's only been 6 games. I'm reasonably confident that Cornell will have another mediocre power play when all is said and done. It's pretty clear this team isn't going to have a PP like 2002/03 or 2019/20, but it probably isn't going to end up in the bottom 5 in the NCAA, either.

The PK is a real Jekyll and Hyde act. Several of the kills I've seen have involved stretches of dominant control broken up by sequences where three guys are collapsing high and scrambling back, or just standing around waiting for someone to pick up the man in the slot, or generally running around in the zone. It could be much better, or it could just be what it is, hard to say.